Summer mercato 2015 (46 Viewers)
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You can't fault Beppe if Schalke wants 35m for Draxler and don't want to give him a loan plus option/obligation scenario to feel out the players recovery from injury. You can't fault Beppe if Schalke expects him to buy the player outright with a substantial bid closer to 35m. What you can fault him for though is two things:
A) Identifying a player he has doubts about in the first place. And negotiate with him and get an agreement with his agent and then fail in the second step.
B) Assuming we are serious about the player, and knowing full well the importance of the AM in Allegris setup and claiming you want to acquire that player asap, then you could fault him for not being decisive enough in our approach by kicking off negotiations in an unrealistic manner if the rumoured 15+7m is close to the truth.
You are a big club DG, you are well within your right to play the market how you want, but if we are serious about a player then you got to act like a big club and approach critical negotiations with a little more clarity. If we get zgoetze from here on, then this would be a Moggi level manoeuvre, but if we get Sneijder, then Beppe is a little out of his depth in big negotiations.
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My issue in all of this is not that Beppe offered 30 million and it got shot down. I wouldn't be upset in the least if that were to happen. My issue is that with his release clause anywhere from 40-45 million, he starts off the bidding at a base of 15 million + 7 million bonuses.
Now some are going to say "Well, that's 22 million. Not that far off. A few more million and then we are getting really close." IF that were the case, and Schalke were in the same frame of mind, then negotiations would be still be ongoing. They wouldn't have slammed the door in our faces. Was it the bonuses? Were they so far fetched and unattainable that Schalke truly felt there was no way they were ever going to see that money?
That is what upsets me.
Now some are going to say "Well, that's 22 million. Not that far off. A few more million and then we are getting really close." IF that were the case, and Schalke were in the same frame of mind, then negotiations would be still be ongoing. They wouldn't have slammed the door in our faces. Was it the bonuses? Were they so far fetched and unattainable that Schalke truly felt there was no way they were ever going to see that money?
That is what upsets me.
You're overreacting bro. It's going to be ok. Keep the faith.
This is the part where the arguments are going to get even more interesting.
We don't know everything about the vidal deal yet. Something's clearly gone down on that front between player and club.
You'll be surprised AJ.
The only way a big signing is happening is if we sell Pogba.
I agree, dodge Draxler, sign Goetze, and I don't think we are completely out of that frame either.
That's unfair Hust, you're believing the media and the reports they carry about Beppe saying Vidal wanted out of the club even though you haven't heard anything from his end. And you're questioning those who are believing our first reported offer, which by the looks of it is perhaps around that figure because that is probably what has gotten the reaction that it has.
You can't verbally agree to a fee before talking to the player and go back on that if you're an aristocratic club like most of the big clubs are, including the first and second tier clubs especially.
The likely scenarios in this deal are
A) Beppe never wanted to buy outright, probably wanted a loan, but Schalke asked him to bid and he's made a bit he sees as an evaluation for somebody coming off an injury laden season.
B) He is perhaps not convinced by the player himself, and is taking his time on the deal, while he works on his true intended target, be it Goetze, Saponara or Cuadrado. Just to give the situation time to develop.
C) HH probably just overreacting and will calm down and talk numbers with a renewed bid since they are serious for Shaqiri.
Vazquez better IMO.
So Draxler wasn't the only one available after all?
So Draxler wasn't the only one available? Boom.
which offer!? 15m plus 7m bonuses? Or are you reading and believing a higher number here? Coz it's more likely Schalke reacted badly being low balled and not because they changed their mind in selling the player. They're in advanced talks for Shaqiri, and Draxler was kind of on the market seeing their HH and his agents words in the last 10 days. Schalke was pretty genuine about the whole thing in my opinion.
Too much over analysis.
This is possible, but I'm hoping this was never our intended primary target in the first place.
Don't know if he can come cheap, but Beppe can certainly try to make it look that way.
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You're overreacting bro. It's going to be ok. Keep the faith.
This is the part where the arguments are going to get even more interesting.
We don't know everything about the vidal deal yet. Something's clearly gone down on that front between player and club.
You'll be surprised AJ.
The only way a big signing is happening is if we sell Pogba.
I agree, dodge Draxler, sign Goetze, and I don't think we are completely out of that frame either.
That's unfair Hust, you're believing the media and the reports they carry about Beppe saying Vidal wanted out of the club even though you haven't heard anything from the players end. And you're questioning those who are believing our first reported offer, which by the looks of it is perhaps around that figure because that is probably what has gotten the reaction that it has.
You can't verbally agree to a fee before talking to the player and go back on that if you're an aristocratic club like most of the big clubs are, including the first and second tier clubs especially.
The likely scenarios in this deal are
A) Beppe never wanted to buy outright, probably wanted a loan, but Schalke asked him to bid and he's made a bit he sees as an evaluation for somebody coming off an injury laden season.
B) He is perhaps not convinced by the player himself, and is taking his time on the deal, while he works on his true intended target, be it Goetze, Saponara or Cuadrado. Just to give the situation time to develop.
C) HH probably just overreacting and will calm down and talk numbers with a renewed bid since they are serious for Shaqiri.
Vazquez better IMO.
So Draxler wasn't the only one available after all?
So Draxler wasn't the only one available? Boom.
which offer!? 15m plus 7m bonuses? Or are you reading and believing a higher number here? Coz it's more likely Schalke reacted badly being low balled and not because they changed their mind in selling the player. They're in advanced talks for Shaqiri, and Draxler was kind of on the market seeing their HH and his agents words in the last 10 days. Schalke was pretty genuine about the whole thing in my opinion.
Too much over analysis.
This is possible, but I'm hoping this was never our intended primary target in the first place.
Don't know if he can come cheap, but Beppe can certainly try to make it look that way.
This is the part where the arguments are going to get even more interesting.
We don't know everything about the vidal deal yet. Something's clearly gone down on that front between player and club.
You'll be surprised AJ.
The only way a big signing is happening is if we sell Pogba.
I agree, dodge Draxler, sign Goetze, and I don't think we are completely out of that frame either.
That's unfair Hust, you're believing the media and the reports they carry about Beppe saying Vidal wanted out of the club even though you haven't heard anything from his end. And you're questioning those who are believing our first reported offer, which by the looks of it is perhaps around that figure because that is probably what has gotten the reaction that it has.
You can't verbally agree to a fee before talking to the player and go back on that if you're an aristocratic club like most of the big clubs are, including the first and second tier clubs especially.
The likely scenarios in this deal are
A) Beppe never wanted to buy outright, probably wanted a loan, but Schalke asked him to bid and he's made a bit he sees as an evaluation for somebody coming off an injury laden season.
B) He is perhaps not convinced by the player himself, and is taking his time on the deal, while he works on his true intended target, be it Goetze, Saponara or Cuadrado. Just to give the situation time to develop.
C) HH probably just overreacting and will calm down and talk numbers with a renewed bid since they are serious for Shaqiri.
Vazquez better IMO.
So Draxler wasn't the only one available after all?
So Draxler wasn't the only one available? Boom.
which offer!? 15m plus 7m bonuses? Or are you reading and believing a higher number here? Coz it's more likely Schalke reacted badly being low balled and not because they changed their mind in selling the player. They're in advanced talks for Shaqiri, and Draxler was kind of on the market seeing their HH and his agents words in the last 10 days. Schalke was pretty genuine about the whole thing in my opinion.
Too much over analysis.
This is possible, but I'm hoping this was never our intended primary target in the first place.
Don't know if he can come cheap, but Beppe can certainly try to make it look that way.
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You're overreacting bro. It's going to be ok. Keep the faith.
This is the part where the arguments are going to get even more interesting.
We don't know everything about the vidal deal yet. Something's clearly gone down on that front between player and club.
You'll be surprised AJ.
The only way a big signing is happening is if we sell Pogba.
I agree, dodge Draxler, sign Goetze, and I don't think we are completely out of that frame either.
That's unfair Hust, you're believing the media and the reports they carry about Beppe saying Vidal wanted out of the club even though you haven't heard anything from the players end. And you're questioning those who are believing our first reported offer, which by the looks of it is perhaps around that figure because that is probably what has gotten the reaction that it has.
You can't verbally agree to a fee before talking to the player and go back on that if you're an aristocratic club like most of the big clubs are, including the first and second tier clubs especially.
The likely scenarios in this deal are
A) Beppe never wanted to buy outright, probably wanted a loan, but Schalke asked him to bid and he's made a bit he sees as an evaluation for somebody coming off an injury laden season.
B) He is perhaps not convinced by the player himself, and is taking his time on the deal, while he works on his true intended target, be it Goetze, Saponara or Cuadrado. Just to give the situation time to develop.
C) HH probably just overreacting and will calm down and talk numbers with a renewed bid since they are serious for Shaqiri.
Vazquez better IMO.
So Draxler wasn't the only one available after all?
So Draxler wasn't the only one available? Boom.
which offer!? 15m plus 7m bonuses? Or are you reading and believing a higher number here? Coz it's more likely Schalke reacted badly being low balled and not because they changed their mind in selling the player. They're in advanced talks for Shaqiri, and Draxler was kind of on the market seeing their HH and his agents words in the last 10 days. Schalke was pretty genuine about the whole thing in my opinion.
Too much over analysis.
This is possible, but I'm hoping this was never our intended primary target in the first place.
Don't know if he can come cheap, but Beppe can certainly try to make it look that way.
A bit more on topic, the next weeks are gonna be interesting for sure, Cuadrado looking most likely although I don't think he's what we actually need. Can't come up with anything better available to us either though.
I feel you, it was the masterclass work of a professional lowballer. We didn't know what the Bonuses were about. Dybala, for instance, have to reach certain "goals" in order for the bonuses to be activated. So i can see how Schalke saw it as almost as an insult. The way i see it is that maybe he really isn't target #1 and Marotta just set a trap by making the lowest offer possible to see what would come out of it, and from there figure out whether he'd increase it or not.
But honestly, Sergio... Maybe this is for the best. I was looking this kid up and that was not his only injury, he was on the sidelines quite a few times actually. 150 days, 70 days, 13 days and then one week here and there. It seems like a lot for a 21 years old kid.
But honestly, Sergio... Maybe this is for the best. I was looking this kid up and that was not his only injury, he was on the sidelines quite a few times actually. 150 days, 70 days, 13 days and then one week here and there. It seems like a lot for a 21 years old kid.
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