Anyway it looks good. I'm just really curious if allegri will have a set line up or it will be heavy rotation.
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Anyway it looks good. I'm just really curious if allegri will have a set line up or it will be heavy rotation.
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It started with Oscar, Isco, Goetze goes down to Jovetic and Cuadrado and finally Draxler, so availability is subjective. It's not just player will. The buying club needs to create the conditions to be favourable. Look at how defensive we are sounding 'what's the alternative'? What does that mean? As four time champions of aerie a and a CL finalist, we are asking this question? That too on the back of Marotta himself claiming that top players want to play for us.
Fiorentina could convince Mario Gomez to make a switch from Bayern but the best Juve can do in such a successful season is Draxler who is perhaps not even the first name that would pop in a CAM discussion given his wider play from the previous two seasons? Common guys. We need to move on from this resigned attitude. When dealing with big clubs and top players we have to ensure we are on top of our game. This is the reality.
We are all talking about Goetze not wanting to move from his 'boyhood' club, but none of us are making a mention that we are offering him a pay cut to move. Off the top of my mind, Felipe Anderson would be a good move, he may cost us a higher transfer fee (40-45m), but his wages may fall within our parameters. We are asking for loan plus option deals in every big negotiation, don't know what message that sends out in terms of our clarity on that move. Kind of makes me feel we aren't sure when dealing with the big boys. If we can't close a big player after selling a World Class one, with CL money and the best conditions possible in our favour, then this is not going to get better anytime soon. It's no longer a financial outlook, it's a mentality and approach. We are not giving ourselves enough credit as a club. It's almost like we are out of our depth right now, which means we should never have sold Vidal. A core for the new cycle was already in place. His sale has not drastically improved that but has realistically weakened us and lost us the consistency that a Draxler level upstart will not resurrect. But that's another tangent.
Fiorentina could convince Mario Gomez to make a switch from Bayern but the best Juve can do in such a successful season is Draxler who is perhaps not even the first name that would pop in a CAM discussion given his wider play from the previous two seasons? Common guys. We need to move on from this resigned attitude. When dealing with big clubs and top players we have to ensure we are on top of our game. This is the reality.
We are all talking about Goetze not wanting to move from his 'boyhood' club, but none of us are making a mention that we are offering him a pay cut to move. Off the top of my mind, Felipe Anderson would be a good move, he may cost us a higher transfer fee (40-45m), but his wages may fall within our parameters. We are asking for loan plus option deals in every big negotiation, don't know what message that sends out in terms of our clarity on that move. Kind of makes me feel we aren't sure when dealing with the big boys. If we can't close a big player after selling a World Class one, with CL money and the best conditions possible in our favour, then this is not going to get better anytime soon. It's no longer a financial outlook, it's a mentality and approach. We are not giving ourselves enough credit as a club. It's almost like we are out of our depth right now, which means we should never have sold Vidal. A core for the new cycle was already in place. His sale has not drastically improved that but has realistically weakened us and lost us the consistency that a Draxler level upstart will not resurrect. But that's another tangent.
Pogba has been playing as a first team player at the top level for a couple of years but neither draxler nor Morata are experienced. 2 thirds of a season is very little experience. Its a huge responsibility to ask a group of youngsters to carry the attack of a team like Juve. If they do come through quickly then that would be one hell of a testament to allegri and their own mental strength.
@AlexJuventino: Last time I checked Goetze isn't exactly happy with how Bayern are treating him, nor is he Guardiola's blue eyed boy. Anyway, was not comparing them either. Was alluding to the fact that it's not impossible to sign a top player. Some of us have stopped believing that. Right now we are discussing Draxler, but if instead of him we were signing Mhiktarayan, I'm sure I'd still here the same reasoning. 'Who else can we sign'? That is an issue for me because I think our notion is to just accept this mindset which is not necessarily right just because the club is doing it. We have four years of scudetto winning under this management, but we also have a 7th place finish under them, so it's not like they can do absolutely no wrong.
WHAT? Draxler at the age of 21 has 116 bundesliga appearances and 23 in the cl
Morata at the age of 22 has has 65 appearances between la liga and serie a and 18 in the cl.
Pogba at the age of 22 has 89 serie a appearances and 24 cl appearances
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Look Baggio I honestly think you are buying into the media too much. Unless Marotta comes out and says, Gotze cost too much that is why we got Draxler than that is a different story. But just because we are linked with him, doesnt mean anything.
I'm not going to argue because you and I don't know whats going on at all
Morata at the age of 22 has has 65 appearances between la liga and serie a and 18 in the cl.
Pogba at the age of 22 has 89 serie a appearances and 24 cl appearances
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Look Baggio I honestly think you are buying into the media too much. Unless Marotta comes out and says, Gotze cost too much that is why we got Draxler than that is a different story. But just because we are linked with him, doesnt mean anything.
I'm not going to argue because you and I don't know whats going on at all
Sure, but I don't need the media to tell me that any club in their right mind would buy Goetze over Draxler. The reality of a club signing Draxler over Goetze is likely the following: We aspire to sign Goetze, but let's settle for Draxler. And I can tell you right now, while money it could be argued, may not be the only consideration, it is definitely one of the most defining ones.
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You want to put that on Del Neri? Sure. But it wasn't the 'Tuz that hired him.
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You want to put that on Del Neri? Sure. But it wasn't the 'Tuz that hired him.
Gotze would have came for 40m+ on wages higher than 6m and Draxler will come for around 30m on wages around 4m
Look at our wage structure, Gotze would never have came.
Also I'm not even going to argue at all because this whole thing of Draxler being a second option to Gotze is getting to be really annoying. Had vidal stayed and we had signed draxler people would be fine, but because vidal left suddenly people expect more.
Look at our wage structure, Gotze would never have came.
Also I'm not even going to argue at all because this whole thing of Draxler being a second option to Gotze is getting to be really annoying. Had vidal stayed and we had signed draxler people would be fine, but because vidal left suddenly people expect more.
Wrong. That is not what I said. There were a lot of moves I didn't agree with, and some that I don't agree with now
I don't see what the point in bringing up a season that happened 5 years ago has to do with NOW. And that season by the way, started to go to shit when the guy in your avatar was lost for the season. Remember, Juve were in 3rd when he went down with that injury. What does that have to do with what is happening now, or in the future?
I don't see what the point in bringing up a season that happened 5 years ago has to do with NOW. And that season by the way, started to go to shit when the guy in your avatar was lost for the season. Remember, Juve were in 3rd when he went down with that injury. What does that have to do with what is happening now, or in the future?
Of course, you hit the nail on the head. It is the money then. And if it is the money, why are we even looking at Goetze and the like? And weren't you one of the few that actually believed that Goetze was happening till recently? Now when Draxler is close, Goetze would have never come. And Draxler is god's gift. Of course, people would expect more given a Vidal sale and it is fully justified given that the sale got in the 40m of the 40m+ you spoke about requiring for Goetze in transfer fees. Common.
It's relevant because everybody's reasoning to a Vidal sale and Draxler purchase is that this is the same management that's won us so much. But it was the same management that's also seen a 7th place, which means that they too can make mistakes, so why do people believe they are above mistakes today? But all I am reading is defence for every transaction the market like its personal about Marrotta and Paratici. It's not.
I would like to believe that as a fan of the club we have an option to disagree with certain moves. Follow the last few posts and you'll see that there's more resignation and acceptance about the Draxler deal like he's the greatest thing walking god's good earth now that the management is after him. I'd love to see what happens if we sign Goetze now. The same justifications will turn on their heads mind you. The same guys who say we have financial concerns to consider will then talk about CL money and Draxler being the perfect smokescreen to put pressure on Goetze to accept our wage policy. Bit of a vicious cycle.
I would like to believe that as a fan of the club we have an option to disagree with certain moves. Follow the last few posts and you'll see that there's more resignation and acceptance about the Draxler deal like he's the greatest thing walking god's good earth now that the management is after him. I'd love to see what happens if we sign Goetze now. The same justifications will turn on their heads mind you. The same guys who say we have financial concerns to consider will then talk about CL money and Draxler being the perfect smokescreen to put pressure on Goetze to accept our wage policy. Bit of a vicious cycle.
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