It started with Oscar, Isco, Goetze goes down to Jovetic and Cuadrado and finally Draxler, so availability is subjective. It's not just player will. The buying club needs to create the conditions to be favourable. Look at how defensive we are sounding 'what's the alternative'? What does that mean? As four time champions of aerie a and a CL finalist, we are asking this question? That too on the back of Marotta himself claiming that top players want to play for us.
Isco was never an option really. Real made it clear he wasnt for sale. if he was he would cost 60M+, which we cant and wont pay. Oscar there was a small chance for him if Chelsea was willing to sell, but they decided he is not and he said he wants to stay there so that settles it. no one can buy these two players right now, not even City or PSG, so better not mention them anymore. as for Jovetic and Cuadrado, we never made it clear that they are our targets. we were
just checking if they were available and for how much money. there never was a bid made for them. thats what a lot of clubs do, they ask for information about the player to have a better input before identifying and making the final decision on their targets....
it actually depends a lot on the players will. Gotze right now, from the last news we got, it is all up to him. if he decides to leave, Bayern would let him go. the question is, why would he leave Bayern for the same wages to go abroad, when there is obvious will from the Bayern board to keep him. Guardiola might leave after this season and he would finally be used in his preferred position too. few would leave in that case. it is our job to try to convince him but there is no guarantee he would accept our offer even if we presented brilliant arguments over something as bizarre as wanting to stay in Germany for example.
yes, Marotta claimed top players want to play for us. that doesent mean that ALL top players want to play for us. top players want to play for Real, Ribery, a top player, rejected them in his prime. Khedira, Mandzukic and an uprising star in Dybala. what are those if not top players?
Fiorentina could convince Mario Gomez to make a switch from Bayern but the best Juve can do in such a successful season is Draxler who is perhaps not even the first name that would pop in a CAM discussion given his wider play from the previous two seasons? Common guys. We need to move on from this resigned attitude. When dealing with big clubs and top players we have to ensure we are on top of our game. This is the reality.
Fiorentina and Gomez - they did a good job convincing him to take them over Real, but 1. Bayern wanted to get rid of him and 2. he would be
just a backup at Real so that helped the deal too.
are you against Draxler? OK, who would you sign? (you mentioned Anderson, it is weird that there are no links to any teams with him, after such a season, half of Europe isnt all over him? there is something fishy about him, probably already has an agreement with some other team, Bayern probably) we were negotiating with Gotze but unless he makes a change of heart suddenly, he isnt really coming. so who else is there available?
We are all talking about Goetze not wanting to move from his 'boyhood' club, but none of us are making a mention that we are offering him a pay cut to move. Off the top of my mind, Felipe Anderson would be a good move, he may cost us a higher transfer fee (40-45m), but his wages may fall within our parameters. We are asking for loan plus option deals in every big negotiation, don't know what message that sends out in terms of our clarity on that move. Kind of makes me feel we aren't sure when dealing with the big boys. If we can't close a big player after selling a World Class one, with CL money and the best conditions possible in our favour, then this is not going to get better anytime soon. It's no longer a financial outlook, it's a mentality and approach. We are not giving ourselves enough credit as a club. It's almost like we are out of our depth right now, which means we should never have sold Vidal. A core for the new cycle was already in place. His sale has not drastically improved that but has realistically weakened us and lost us the consistency that a Draxler level upstart will not resurrect. But that's another tangent.
-we arent offering him a paycut
-yeah, i mentioned Anderson above, do you think Lazio would sell him for 40M after asking 30M for Candreva last summer? and even with him, would you say for sure he is a better option than Draxler? both are young and both are risks, Draxler at a lower cost is less of a risk though. and you think he would accept lower wages? "yeah, you were offering Draxler 3.5M, give me the same then" would probably be his demand
-we are asking, yes. you cant know if you dont ask. if they say no then we ask for how much the player would cost, and if its too much and we cant negotiate the price down we retreat. i dont see a problem here
-i will repeat this once more: THERE IS NO ONE AVAILABLE. CLUBS WONT SELL THEIR TOP PLAYERS SO EASILY. if a club doesent want to sell there is nothing you can do, so please drop the talk about us not being able to land one. the only players available currently are young upcoming ones that are playing for mid/low table clubs. these are the player we are targeting, as well as the ones that arent in the plans of top clubs anymore and become opportunities. thats how we always dealt, thats how we will always deal. selling Vidal is irrelevant, as we didnt sell him to fund another transfer (which there is no need to anyway), but we sold him because he asked to leave.
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