Stoning (20 Viewers)

Zé Tahir

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Dec 10, 2004
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There isn't a clear statemen in the Quraan that explains stonning. However, Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) allowed and practiced this penalty back in the days.

The idea isn't in stoning. The idea is that you have been blessed with a wife (only those who are marreid get the stoning penalty) of choice, yet you choose to commit adultrey with another woman.

So the next big debate should be, the consequences of Adultrey against self and the society "beside getting stoned for it :)"
Stoning as a punishment was a product of those primitive times, for those people who lived back then. You know what else was a product of those times too? Slavery.
Word.


Yamen you're gonna have to show some ahadith or sunnah to back this up bro.
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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Who the fuck cares if the Quran allows stoning? That is NOT the point.
You might not but stoning is an official punishment in Iran only because Qoran's quotes about the matter have been interpreted in the way which automatically leads to stoning being justified.


The idea isn't in stoning. The idea is that you have been blessed with a wife (only those who are marreid get the stoning penalty) of choice, yet you choose to commit adultrey with another woman.

In Islam, it's legal for men to have four wives at the same time without their women having any right of opposing it, right? Haven't those men been blessed with their first wives of choice? Now you are free to marry to three other women, perhaps bringing them to the same house as your first wife's living in, having sex with them, etc and it's all okay but if you have sex with another woman without marrying her (ONLY without the marriage traditional stuff) you deserve to be killed in the most brutal way, huh?


Which countries still stone anyway?
About Iran I am sure.
 
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Seven

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    Stoning as a punishment was a product of those primitive times, for those people who lived back then. You know what else was a product of those times too? Slavery.
    You know what else was a product of those times? :D
     

    Yamen

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    Apr 20, 2007
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    You might not but stoning is an official punishment in Iran only because Qoran's quotes about the matter have been interpreted in the way which automatically leads to stoning being justified.
    There is no change you would interpret Quraan verses into stoning. As nothinng is mentioned about stoning, so how would one assume it is the stoning penalty that was ordered?





    In Islam, it's legal for men to have four wives at the same time without their women having any right of opposing it, right? Haven't those men been blessed with their first wives of choice? Now you are free to marry to three other women, perhaps bringing them to the same house as your first wife's living in, having sex with them, etc and it's all okay but if you have sex with another woman without marrying her (ONLY without the marriage traditional stuff) you deserve to be killed in the most brutal way, huh?.

    Islam allowed having up to 4 wives. But this is not to be interpreted the way we live now adays. Meaning, you can't bring all 4 into your first wive's house and you are not allowed to have sex with all of them. It is demeaning to the woman. If you choose to have multiple wives you MUST be fair and treat them and treat them with a huge sense of equality.
     
    Jan 7, 2004
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    Islam allowed having up to 4 wives. But this is not to be interpreted the way we live now adays. Meaning, you can't bring all 4 into your first wive's house and you are not allowed to have sex with all of them. It is demeaning to the woman. If you choose to have multiple wives you MUST be fair and treat them and treat them with a huge sense of equality.

    i am sorry sir, i might not know you well enough to extrapolate my conclusion to the majority of your beliefs and actions, but what you just said was complete and utter idiocy
     

    Osman

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    Aug 30, 2002
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    Funny thing, the polygamy bit, which was common "tradition" in many cultures throughout history, started out as a bit of a practical solution to too many men dying in wars. So the women had to have someone to provide for them as widows (or just plain shortage of young men to marry as a young woman).

    First started out as if your husband died, you just married his brother, because it was his obligation to take care of his brothers family, and then went on like that. Its the same reason why Islam back then advocated that (due the practice ofcourse pre-dates the religion, and is just another of many social aspects). Bit of a way for the society to provide safety net for women without husbands to provide for them. Bit of a product of wars and how it left behind widows etc.


    P.S Seven, dont go there :D
     

    king Ale

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    Oct 28, 2004
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    Osman, but it's still legal for Muslim men, now in the 21st century (well, Qoran does supposedly have teachings and instructions for men of all time, all over the world, isn't it?).

    You know rich Arab men who "rightfully" marry four women believing that they're treating them equally since they are rich and they can afford granting all of their wives equal amount of money and properties. No war, no dying men, nothing at all. And is this mentioned in Qoran that men can only marry "widow"s as their second/third/fourth wives? No. It's directed to all of men.
     

    Osman

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    Aug 30, 2002
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    Yeah I know, just saying on the likely basis it started off as. As somewhat practical solution of those days, to care of eachother in a bit unorthodox way. It gotten twisted and turned into something else like many other things. Give it enough time, and anything can be excused as part of the religion, or culture/tradition.
     

    Yamen

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    Apr 20, 2007
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    Osman: I like that last sentence as it is valid and applied on anything.
    "...anything can be excused as part of the religion, or culture/tradition."
     

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