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Rijkaard: Madrid's Defence Was The Key

Frank Rijkaard admitted that Real Madrid's defensive strength was the key to el Clásico and stated that he truly believed Barça would equalise

The Dutchman was philosophical about the Blaugrana's first league defeat at Camp Nou for nearly 18 months and said that he was not disappointed with his team's performance.

Barça had chances to earn something from the game, but they were eventually beaten by a stunning strike from Julio Baptista in the first half.

"The reality of Madrid is that they are very strong. As a team they worked very well and also going forward." Rijkaard explained.

"They were very well positioned and their defence has put the brakes on our team and they created danger on the counter attack.

"I thought we would equalise until the last moment because I saw the attitude of our players was good."

Despite losing, Rijkaard believes that there is still plenty to play for in the league and said that Barça would regroup after Christmas and start again.

"It is a costly defeat, but I think we have to carry on, to take this in and then move forward with our aims," he continued.

"We tried everything. We played well, but now we have to continue working hard and still believe that anything is possible.

"There are still a lot of games left."

Lucas Brown, Goal.com

 

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[Turk_Bianconero]

so Drenthe is third choice after Heinze and Marcelo.He would be good addition for us.

 

[Azzurri7]

Schuster is continuing what Capello made of this squad, Capello was brought for that and he succeeded, this is not what I am saying, this is what Madrid managers are saying!

What Capello is exactly did or left?

Playing style- has compeletly changed since Schuster took over and thats statistics taken by Madrid fans not me.

Players? Schuster definetly knows how to treat and use players and apply a better atmosphere in the training which applys a better performance on the field.

Capello is a lucky man, Cassano was more than spot on to call him that. Valencia, Barcelona and even Atl. Madrid for a period of time were running far from them until Barcelona started going down.

Give Capello a normal team with a normal budget, or lets make it simpler, give Capello the current Juventus team and make sure he'll end up 5th if not 10th.

 

[Snoop]

What Capello is exactly did or left?

Playing style- has compeletly changed since Schuster took over and thats statistics taken by Madrid fans not me.

Players? Schuster definetly knows how to treat and use players and apply a better atmosphere in the training which applys a better performance on the field.

Capello is a lucky man, Cassano was more than spot on to call him that. Valencia, Barcelona and even Atl. Madrid for a period of time were running far from them until Barcelona started going down.

Give Capello a normal team with a normal budget, or lets make it simpler, give Capello the current Juventus team and make sure he'll end up 5th if not 10th.

"Capello was the medicine we needed in the short term, now we need something different!" This is what Calderon said about Capello.

are you seriously comparing Schuster with Capello?? Capello won Real Madrid their first title in 5 years, from his first year, he is the England manager and getting paid for 12 Million Dollars, what are you talking about man? Just because you don't like him or he benched Del Piero, it's meaningless from you to claim all these for him. This man isn't getting paid 12 Million Dollars a year because of his lovely glasses. Schuster is continuing what Capello built last year plus with the 160 Million$ spend on six players, well that's sure thing he must lead in La Liga! and it is too early to say he is doing anything at this time!

 

[Alen]

Well, Rab, i'm not a Capello fan but i get the feeling you're being a little biased here so i'll have to defend him .
Real spent a fortune before Capello came and they couldn't win anything for 4 long years. The guy gave them a trophy. Real was a team of primadona's, with no team atmosphere, with lots of ego. The stats you gave were from the start of last year's season. It was normal that Capello couldn't have changed everything in so little time. But look at the stats from the second part of the season. The stats after he was given a little time to change locker-room atmosphere, to give a red card to egoists like Ronaldo and Cassano.
It can be luck, i agree, but can it be luck if he's done it with all the other teams he's been coaching ?

Roma couldn't win the scudetto for 18 years and they won it right away with Capello.
Real in mid 90's couldn't win La Liga or any trophy for 7 or 8 years and Capello won La Liga in his first season back then. He did the same in his second spell at Real.
Milan's great Sacchi couldn't win serie A while Capello won it 3 times in a row in his first three seasons with Milan. Milan lost the scudetto to us and won it right away with Capello. We lost the scudetto in 2004 and won it twice in a row in Capello's 2 years with us.

It can't be luck. The other great coaches also had great teams but couldn't win the league. Capello was always winning it. There must be something more than luck. Something called knowledge.

 

[Azzurri7]

"Capello was the medicine we needed in the short term, now we need something different!" This is what Calderon said about Capello.

Calderon is the one who brought Capello over. So you don't really expect him to say, I screwed up bringing this guy. Plus they won the league what could Calderon ask more. Point is Capello was lucky to win La Liga.

And conclusion is that Capello is no where to be a great manager to the likes of Mourinho, Lippi, Trap, Del Bosq.

are you seriously comparing Schuster with Capello?? Capello won Real Madrid their first title in 5 years, from his first year, he is the England manager and getting paid for 12 Million Dollars, what are you talking about man? Just because you don't like him or he benched Del Piero, it's meaningless from you to claim all these for him. This man isn't getting paid 12 Million Dollars a year because of his lovely glasses. Schuster is continuing what Capello built last year plus with the 160 Million$ spend on six players, well that's sure thing he must lead in La Liga! and it is too early to say he is doing anything at this time!

I didn't compare them, but why wouldn't I? Schuster is a new face around who is doing brilliant job so far. Probably in 3 or 4years now people will say he's one of the best. I don't really care, but what I'm trying to say is that Schuster is doing 10x the work Capello was doing, and Capello is no where to be called brilliant for winning la liga when it was gifted to him.


If we'll talk about Del Piero thing then I'd rather not continue, because for the million times, what I think about this man has nothing to do with Del Piero. I'm giving you my reasons why I think he's an overrated coach and not a great one, I never mentioned Del Piero's name.

About the figure that he's been paid soo much, Erickson was 2nd most paid coach after Mourinho. EPL are welling to pay any coach this amount of money. It's not an achievment If you ask me.

It's really simple to figure out how overrated Capello is, his champions league matches with Juventus was more than obvious to make a conclusion about that wasn't?

Hundreds of coaches can win leagues and I can name you these coaches if you give them what you want, meaning cash, players, and everything they ask for.

He knows how to defend and pick 3points, but he's a humilation in Europe.

 

[Snoop]

Capello didn't have superior team than Barcelona, and not just that, he had to deal with selfish Idiots in the team that can ruin the atmosphere, the clown called Schuster doesn't have any of these problems and now he has Robben, Sneijder, Metzelder, Heinze and Pepe added to the squad, and Barcelona at his worst form, is it surprise that this team not to perform? Schuster will probably get sacked this season or next at most, and probably will not win any trophy till then, maybe he will win Copa del rey?

 

[Azzurri7]

Capello didn't have superior team than Barcelona, and not just that, he had to deal with selfish Idiots in the team that can ruin the atmosphere, the clown called Schuster doesn't have any of these problems and now he has Robben, Sneijder, Metzelder, Heinze and Pepe added to the squad, and Barcelona at his worst form, is it surprise that this team not to perform? Schuster will probably get sacked this season or next at most, and probably will not win any trophy till then, maybe he will win Copa del rey?

Which selfish idiots capello had to deal with?

Not only in La liga they're performing, in Champions League, I've been watching some of their matches and they're as entertaining as they used to be. It's not easy to play entertaining football Snoop.

About your last question, maybe If he gets sacked and will be given another chance at a big club like Real Madrid then he'd have more chances, of course he wouldn't have a huge chance to win la liga with Deportivo or Espanyol. Neither can Capello do that.

 

[Snoop]

Calderon is the one who brought Capello over. So you don't really expect him to say, I screwed up bringing this guy. Plus they won the league what could Calderon ask more. Point is Capello was lucky to win La Liga.

And conclusion is that Capello is no where to be a great manager to the likes of Mourinho, Lippi, Trap, Del Bosq.

Calderon screwed his team with winning the Spanish Liga? lol
I understand your love to Mourinho (even thou time will tell he is just an overrated prick, I won't argue about this, but like I said only time will tell), Lippi and Trap are legends, but Del Bosque?? what else he did seriously other than his 3 years in Real? he is hardly called a legend, but this is not the topic. Capello will always be remembered as a legend whether you like that or not! He has proved himself for thousand times, Alen's post show part of his Success!

I didn't compare them, but why wouldn't I? Schuster is a new face around who is doing brilliant job so far. Probably in 3 or 4years now people will say he's one of the best. I don't really care, but what I'm trying to say is that Schuster is doing 10x the work Capello was doing, and Capello is no where to be called brilliant for winning la liga when it was gifted to him.

So the Scudetto won one 2001 at the last day when Inter lost to Lazio were gifted by Inter to us? There is nothing called gifted in football, and specially in leagues, the more you collect the points you win the league, Capello collected more than Rijkard and that's why he won the league! you can't compare two seasons together Rab, there is something called fixture advantage, and what was Capello doing was to build a loser team, what Schuster is doing strengthening a Title winning squad, which one is tougher? I think you know the answer!

About the figure that he's been paid soo much, Erikson was 2nd most paid coach after Mourinho. EPL are welling to pay any coach this amount of money. It's not an achievment If you ask me.

It is not an achievement, but it shows the value of the manager, and specially if he was paid a similar wage in his previous club (Madrid), and is a wanted Manager.

It's really simple to figure out how overrated Capello is, his champions league matches with Juventus was more than obvious to make a conclusion about that wasn't?

Hundreds of coaches can win leagues and I can name you these coaches if you give them what you want, meaning cash, players, and everything they ask for.

He knows how to defend and pick 3points, but he's a humilation in Europe.

He has the same number (or more) of titles won in Champions league of the Legends you mentioned, Trap, Lippi and Mourinho. so the answer is no, that doesn't prove that he is a worthless coach.

 

[Snoop]

Which selfish idiots capello had to deal with?

Not only in La liga they're performing, in Champions League, I've been watching some of their matches and they're as entertaining as they used to be. It's not easy to play entertaining football Snoop.

About your last question, maybe If he gets sacked and will be given another chance at a big club like Real Madrid then he'd have more chances, of course he wouldn't have a huge chance to win la liga with Deportivo or Espanyol. Neither can Capello do that.

ermm what did your Legends Del Bosque, Lippi did with other clubs?

I am not discrediting these managers, but you are letting me do so to prove you you are wrong!

Lippi: with Sampdoria and Inter didn't win anything! (Ofcourse he is a Juve legend and everyone knows his worth, but he couldn't win a league that you consider it a very easy job with Sampdoria and specially Inter)
Del Bosque: other than Real Madrid, he fucked up a club called Besiktas, and I don't recall his name were mentioned anywhere in any news..
Mourinho: other than Porto, he only could succeed in domestically, and failed and owned by Barcelona the team that u underrate, with all the cash, world class players and unlimited opportunity he had, he couldn't bring Chelsea the Champions league title!

So it is not an easy task as you claim!

 

[Azzurri7]

Well, Rab, i'm not a Capello fan but i get the feeling you're being a little biased here so i'll have to defend him .
Real spent a fortune before Capello came and they couldn't win anything for 4 long years. The guy gave them a trophy. Real was a team of primadona's, with no team atmosphere, with lots of ego. The stats you gave were from the start of last year's season. It was normal that Capello couldn't have changed everything in so little time. But look at the stats from the second part of the season. The stats after he was given a little time to change locker-room atmosphere, to give a red card to egoists like Ronaldo and Cassano.
It can be luck, i agree, but can it be luck if he's done it with all the other teams he's been coaching ?

Alen, you do know that Real Madrid won the league on their last match thanks to Barcelona? Even Real Madrid fans would admit that.

Capello has been in coaching even before he took charge of Milan in the early 90's.... he's been coaching in the toughest league in the world (Serie A) so you'd expect him to know a thing or two.

He wouldn't have accpet Calderon's offer had he was offered the same things the other 4coaches before him were offered. Capello had to pick what players he want and what players to send back home. Capello had free budget spending hell lot of cash on players. But again he didn't outplay his oppositions, he was outplayed, and even Capello himself knows that he was gifted the league.

About Cassano, I guess he's the one who brought him over didnt he? And Ronaldo? Ronaldo was starting to play his best football again slowly slowly until he ruined it capello. We all know Capello's way of dealing with great footballers, from Beckham to Ronaldo and Del Piero to Maldini Buffon Totti and the list goes on.

Roma couldn't win the scudetto for 18 years and they won it right away with Capello.

Need to name the players Roma had when they won the league? Thats why I said Capello is smart, he knows when to take over a club, when he's offered everything he wants he takes over. Capello since he took charge of Milan, NEVER accepted a mid team with mid budget. Lippi never had the squad and the cash capello had when he was our coach, same dilemma in Roma, Milan and Madrid.

Milan's great Sacchi couldn't win serie A while Capello won it 3 times in a row in his first three seasons with Milan. Milan lost the scudetto to us and won it right away with Capello. We lost the scudetto in 2004 and won it twice in a row in Capello's 2 years with us.

Denco has explained few pages back I think about Capello's Milan days. Even you Alen, yes, even you would have won with such a squad having worlds best footballers.

It can't be luck. The other great coaches also had great teams but couldn't win the league. Capello was always winning it. There must be something more than luck. Something called knowledge.

He knows how to win a league. But to be called a legend coach you should prove that in Europe. He couldn't prove that.

 

[Azzurri7]

Calderon screwed his team with winning the Spanish Liga? lol
I understand your love to Mourinho (even thou time will tell he is just an overrated prick, I won't argue about this, but like I said only time will tell), Lippi and Trap are legends, but Del Bosque?? what else he did seriously other than his 3 years in Real? he is hardly called a legend, but this is not the topic. Capello will always be remembered as a legend whether you like that or not! He has proved himself for thousand times, Alen's post show part of his Success!

Del Bosque added new style in football world. As much as I can't stand Real Madrid and as much as I dislike them, Del Bosque brought something new in football.

Real Madrid were playing their most entertaining football in their last decade under Del Bosq. Thats a fact.

Like I said before, to be called a legend you should prove that in Europe, Benitez turned out to be more successful coach than Capello in this short period of time, being top four in Europe since his arrival.


So the Scudetto won one 2001 at the last day when Inter lost to Lazio were gifted by Inter to us? There is nothing called gifted in football, and specially in leagues, the more you collect the points you win the league, Capello collected more than Rijkard and that's why he won the league! you can't compare two seasons together Rab, there is something called fixture advantage, and what was Capello doing was to build a loser team, what Schuster is doing strengthening a Title winning squad, which one is tougher? I think you know the answer!

He has the same number (or more) of titles won in Champions league of the Legends you mentioned, Trap, Lippi and Mourinho. so the answer is no, that doesn't prove that he is a worthless coach.

Still being knocked out in the 2nd round with Juventus with such a squad twice in a humilation way and same when he was coaching Real is an embarrasment.

You can't compare Mourinho and Lippi in Champions League to Capello. Lets not bring stats, Lippi had smelled the finals probably more than he official games capello played in Champions League and same goes with Mourinho.

Just like I accepted that he's good in winning leagues, you should accept that he's failure in Europe.

 

[Snoop]

A manager who has a Champions league title in his career can hardly be called a failure (in Europe)! not just that, you should also remember the score he won in that final against a huge team!

 

[Stephan]

i think this domestic vs european thing is all a bit weird to compare. There is only one winner in CL.

By that logic, Ancelotti IS the legend in CL, but look how milan are doing in serie a.

Liverpool pretty much seem to concentrate a lot more on CL than on league. It isnt as if they have been unlucky in epl or something, havent looked close enough to compete for epl title.

Having said that, i think that the success capello had in CL, was a long time ago, time when the competition was different, less games.

 

[Snoop]

and also winning the CL is not as hard as it was used to be. Porto winning it, 4th team of the Italian League (Milan) won it, Monaco playing in a final, Liverpool not making the top 4 in Premier league and winning the title later, it is totally different these days. That's where you need the luck factor! While winning a league can hardly be won with Luck.

A league has more than 30 games, while when you pass the group stages in CL, everything is possible. Just remember the way Mourinho won the CL, he was getting eliminated by Man utd at the second stage, but they could score at the last minutes, and they are in quarter finals! and later they won it! Many examples alike..

 

[Stephan]

Thats def true. But in that case Don Fabio has been one unlucky man in CL recent years

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Barcelona played their worst game of the season... I've watched the 90 minutes and I swear I can't recall seeing Deco doing a damn thing for the whole match not a single freaking pass, run or tackle, I totaly forgot he was playing tell I read the player rating were he was given 3 (twice what he deserved if you ask me)... Ronaldinho was awful but at least he was trying... and I'm a much more better coach than Rijkard.

As for Capello I fully agree with what Rab said of him choosing the right time and circumstances to take charge of the teams he coach.

The early 90s Milan, The mid 90s Real Madrid, Roma 2001, Juventus 2005/6, Real Madird 2007 are all a hell of squads.

Lets not forget the only time he coached a troubled team during his 2nd spell at Milan where he end the season few points above the drop zone.

 

[Maher]

Barcelona played their worst game of the season cause messi is not playing since he is the creater for goals and the top scorer for barca so with him not playing , noone can create goals for etoo and with shit form for ronaldinho the result is logical.

 

[V]

Barcelona played their worst game of the season cause messi is not playing since he is the creater for goals and the top scorer for barca so with him not playing , noone can create goals for etoo and with shit form for ronaldinho the result is logical.

Read: Barca is a shitass team and a one-man-army team. They suck.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Rab,Capello's good.So is Zlatan.Im a man of very few words.