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ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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Trust me, Conte can't beat Barca no matter what formation he fields. Real has shown they're able to score against them and even won 1 game last year but it all comes down to not being able to keep it up due to a feeling of inferiority.
 
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If you meant Mourinho, you're wrong imo as he has shown that he can do it by beating them with Inter in 2010.

If he gets a better defense and uses the same tactice he used with Inter, he can beat them.

Having Ramos, Pepe and an old Carvalho in there just won't cut it.
 

MikeM

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Sep 21, 2008
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Who talked about Conte?
I did. I think Conte has the right tactics for Barca. What I watched against Roma is a formation I've always thought to be the best against the "Barca formation". Yes Roma is mostly cack players but their possession stats are enormous because of the formation, still.

The best formation IMO is the 3-5-2/5-3-2.


I don't know if some of you noticed this when we just got done whipping Roma who plays the same exact tactics as Barca (only with mostly cack players) but... notice how our 2 forwards always marked the CBs on goal kicks. There's step 1. No team has yet to even do this simple thing against Barca. They don't want to start play with the fullbacks or take long goal kicks.

When the ball is at the feet of the the RB or RCB or the LB or LCB the 2 forwards mark the deep lying playmaker (Busquets/De Rossi) and the other CB so the man with the ball can only play to one side. Re-watch our game vs. Roma if you have to. Our forwards continually funneled play to only one side of the field. Step 2.

Then you have to have a stopper in front of the 2 CBs that plays where Messi plays. Next, you need 2 outside backs that can play wider because you have a pseudo 5 man backline. This means their wing players are more tightly covered. And you are left with 3 on 3 in the midfield. The only players open are the fullbacks or one of the CBs.

For example, Abidal has the ball. You take away his ability to switch through the playmaker and the CB and funnel him down the left. The rest of Barca are mostly man on man. You will not be overloaded which is what Barca does to kill their opponent. Your only concern is the opposite fullback but the chances of him hurting you are remote because of the distance between him and the ball.

Totti plays the "false 9" like Messi. How many times did he touch the ball? Very rarely. Especially in the 1st half. Ok, he's not Messi. Messi will move out of that slot to get the ball, but ultimatley, that's FINE.

What you can't have is what happened today. Messi gets the ball in midfield, turns and runs at you like it's a fucking counter attack. How that happens so often is beyond me. He literally walks from inbetween the 2 CBs and receives a pass completely unguarded. But the 2 CBs are both scared to follow him and get pulled out of the back line. So you NEED a stopper.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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Oh ya, when you win the ball back you have to play it in behind the fullbacks. The only runs up the middle should come from midfielders. For example, the Giaccherini run.

Also, Please don't bring up Mourinho's Inter because that was with Ibra playing both games for Barca. Completely changes things.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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A formation by itself is useless. Conte will be embarrassed if he plays this Barcelona team. Roma's a shit team with shit players, that game didn't show anything at all imo.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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It's not useless. FFS, Barca scored their 1st goal STRICTLY from their formation. The formation allows Messi to get the ball, turn and run at the defense. It wasn't even that great of a run, any player that is allowed to sprint at the defense with two wide open players to his side can surely create something.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Trust me, Conte can't beat Barca no matter what formation he fields. Real has shown they're able to score against them and even won 1 game last year but it all comes down to not being able to keep it up due to a feeling of inferiority.
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There are way too many people prostrated in adoration of Barca. If you want to beat them treat them like any other opponent in your mental preparation.
 
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