AM means before meridium but the A means something in latin I dont know
and PM means post-meridium
and PM means post-meridium
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But the defence is the same of the past ten years so you can't say that the players are not quality!
And Moggi has 5 more weeks to deliver....before shooting him down give him time. And anyway if Thuram goes central and Juve gets a right back they're more or less settled. If another central defender comes that's great, but if no one comes then it's ok cos we have enough centrals.
And Moggi has 5 more weeks to deliver....before shooting him down give him time. And anyway if Thuram goes central and Juve gets a right back they're more or less settled. If another central defender comes that's great, but if no one comes then it's ok cos we have enough centrals.
OK the players might HAVE BEEN quality but for example look at Zidane he was like premium quality and now he's still good but not performing like he used to... he's aging and the same thing is happening to our defence, so if we keep it like that for two more years the quality will just decrease, because I dont think Del Piero, Zizou and those players who once were marvelous will return to that form overnight...
That's what they said about Maldini and Costacurta before, yet they still helped Milan win and have an excellent defence. Age doesn't really matter...if the player is quality he's still quality. Milan have a much older defence than ours, yet no one complains.
The only reason we should get younger defenders is to re-juvenate the team for the future as the present is alrite.
The only reason we should get younger defenders is to re-juvenate the team for the future as the present is alrite.
Only the best defenders r able to play beyond their 30s, after this age they lose pace and begin to lose awareness of play around them, only people like Montero and Thuram will be able to play into thier late years and ferrara has proved useful even thouh he is ageing, but we definately need some new legs in our defence
Zizou,
I do admit that I may be pulling the trigger too early, but what I worry about is the attitude Moggi is taking towards Calcio Mercato and this may be detrimental to the team. Beside, I believe many of reports in the newspaper, especially the well-regarded ones, are based on solid insider info, and does reflect the team's transfer policy to certain degree .
Firstly, Moggi has been taking "I am going to beat the market" type of attitudes in recent years. I believe this statement is genuinely true given his record of signings, contract negotiations and coaching appointment. He signed Appiah, Legrotagglie, Chiellini, Kapo, Zebina, Miccoli, Di Vaio signings out of nowhere. He surprisingly appointed Capello over Deschamp. There is no problem in being flexible and taking opportunity of chances such as Zebina and Don Fabio, however, there is real chance IMO that such transfer activity might be rushed and ill judged. More important problem with this kind of attitude is that Moggi in recent years have refused to sign players that are considered to be good in the market. God knows how many good players that we passed up in recent years, and I strongly believe that we could have signed them had we been more aggressive in the transfer market. I am not going to criticize Moggi being frugal in those years because we did have a core that was capable of competing but the quality of signings should be questioned. I reckon this is due to the fact that if you are going to beat the market 1) you have to extremely lucky and/or 2) you must have incredibly foresight. In 2 case, this requires unique way of evaluating and valuing players, I am not sure what Moggi exactly saw in Baiocco, Fresi et al. If the market in general thinks one is a good player, i.e Burdisso, Mexes, Ferrari, then the probability is he is indeed decent player. I acknowledge that Juve management are no dummies then again so are other teams. The matter of fact is it is extremely hard to beat the market for sustainable time, because markets to not always get it wrong, however frickle and irrational they may be. So if people thinks Mexes, Chivus, Joaquins, Torres, Rooneys, et al are capable players why not admit they are good players and buy them. It is perfectly plausible by economic theory to make rent even admist competition because of asset specificity. Mexes, and Ferrari IMO could have been a great value to the team, and inability to sign these players (in the case they join Roma) should be criticized. Because I reckon Moggi is trying too hard for those "diamond in the rough" as a way of showing off his ability.
I am going to wait until the transfer deadline but I really do believe that Moggi is on the watch here, and he better have good transfer campaign because they could be a lot of people that are gunning for his head. Not that I am wanting this to happen but hey no one even GM is bigger than the club.
I do admit that I may be pulling the trigger too early, but what I worry about is the attitude Moggi is taking towards Calcio Mercato and this may be detrimental to the team. Beside, I believe many of reports in the newspaper, especially the well-regarded ones, are based on solid insider info, and does reflect the team's transfer policy to certain degree .
Firstly, Moggi has been taking "I am going to beat the market" type of attitudes in recent years. I believe this statement is genuinely true given his record of signings, contract negotiations and coaching appointment. He signed Appiah, Legrotagglie, Chiellini, Kapo, Zebina, Miccoli, Di Vaio signings out of nowhere. He surprisingly appointed Capello over Deschamp. There is no problem in being flexible and taking opportunity of chances such as Zebina and Don Fabio, however, there is real chance IMO that such transfer activity might be rushed and ill judged. More important problem with this kind of attitude is that Moggi in recent years have refused to sign players that are considered to be good in the market. God knows how many good players that we passed up in recent years, and I strongly believe that we could have signed them had we been more aggressive in the transfer market. I am not going to criticize Moggi being frugal in those years because we did have a core that was capable of competing but the quality of signings should be questioned. I reckon this is due to the fact that if you are going to beat the market 1) you have to extremely lucky and/or 2) you must have incredibly foresight. In 2 case, this requires unique way of evaluating and valuing players, I am not sure what Moggi exactly saw in Baiocco, Fresi et al. If the market in general thinks one is a good player, i.e Burdisso, Mexes, Ferrari, then the probability is he is indeed decent player. I acknowledge that Juve management are no dummies then again so are other teams. The matter of fact is it is extremely hard to beat the market for sustainable time, because markets to not always get it wrong, however frickle and irrational they may be. So if people thinks Mexes, Chivus, Joaquins, Torres, Rooneys, et al are capable players why not admit they are good players and buy them. It is perfectly plausible by economic theory to make rent even admist competition because of asset specificity. Mexes, and Ferrari IMO could have been a great value to the team, and inability to sign these players (in the case they join Roma) should be criticized. Because I reckon Moggi is trying too hard for those "diamond in the rough" as a way of showing off his ability.
I am going to wait until the transfer deadline but I really do believe that Moggi is on the watch here, and he better have good transfer campaign because they could be a lot of people that are gunning for his head. Not that I am wanting this to happen but hey no one even GM is bigger than the club.
The defenders tend to have longer career span than the forwards, because they are less reliant on physical attributes than the forwards. Furthermore, it is difficult to apply generalization on each player because they have their own unique characteristics. For instance, likes of Maldini and Costacourta may have more durable body and keep their fitness level better than the likes of Minotti (One the best sweeper in the world in the 90s). But the problem with us is that we have a group of players that are aging, and chances are they will be some players that are going to experience severe decline. Thuram relied heavily on his physique in the past the question remains can he can main his emaculate body shape?
Iluliano, too, have always been physical defender - can he keep on banging into the mid 30s? Ferrara has shown that he can give good game or two down the stretch but there is genuine cocern whether he can keep it for the entire season. Montero got burned by pace last year, and he is not going to get quicker - can we provide adequate protection for him?
Rather than taking risks with all these players, I would like to sign couple of young CBs that can provide youth, pace, and enthusiam into the team. I acknowledge the intangibles the veteran can bring: Leadership, the role teacher, and so forth. And I do believe in the wisdom of keeping some of them to guide new signings. The key, therefore, lies in the ability of management to mix youth and experience IMO. Canna, and Oddo doesnt belong to that mix IMO.
Iluliano, too, have always been physical defender - can he keep on banging into the mid 30s? Ferrara has shown that he can give good game or two down the stretch but there is genuine cocern whether he can keep it for the entire season. Montero got burned by pace last year, and he is not going to get quicker - can we provide adequate protection for him?
Rather than taking risks with all these players, I would like to sign couple of young CBs that can provide youth, pace, and enthusiam into the team. I acknowledge the intangibles the veteran can bring: Leadership, the role teacher, and so forth. And I do believe in the wisdom of keeping some of them to guide new signings. The key, therefore, lies in the ability of management to mix youth and experience IMO. Canna, and Oddo doesnt belong to that mix IMO.