Soon to be official: Mutu to Juve (15 Viewers)

Zizou

Senior Member
Apr 21, 2003
3,965
Err some of you are talking as if Juve don't have a plan for their transfer market.

It's pretty obvious that Moggi wouldn't have sold DV unless he had something up his sleeve or a plan for another striker. We just have to wait and see.
 

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kweku

Junior Member
Jul 20, 2002
167
++ [ originally posted by John #10 ] ++
ooohh spend it on emo??
If we will pay the amount mentioned with the Emo transfer, we will get more than we are paying for, no doubt! we are not talking fantasy mercato in this issue
 

#10

Senior Member
Jul 28, 2002
7,377
dude...emo is good, but he should not be our diamond of the mercato season...we should definatly not spend heaps of cash on him either...or even give enzo up for him.
 

Jun-hide

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2002
2,068
Zizou,

I am pretty sure Moggi and Don Fabio have some plan in their sleeves but what I worry is the quality of that plan both short term and in the long run.:). And more importantly, ability and commitment on the side of management to carry out the plan. Of course my perceptions depend heavily on the accounts provided by various online sources, some of which may be pure fabrication and others true reflection of what happened and thus I do not have idea what their plan exactly is but nonetheless I will argue that our transfer policy hasnt been aggresiveness enough and very short sighted until now. Furthermore, Moggi's style of negotiating is flawed, and does very little to help the team.
As far as I am concerned, attempts to likes of Vieri, Oddo, et al sounds like short term choices that is merely papering over the cracks rather than filling them in. The matter of fact is that we have many players that are around or over 30: Nedved, Tach, Del Piero, Iluliano, Montero, Ferrara, Thuram, Chimenti and many of these players are going to be in the First 11 next year. The last thing we need is another 30+, or nearby 30s in the team, as it will only make the rebuilding much harder in the future. In this sense, Canna, Vieri, Oddo are no-goes despite the fact that they are very good players.
Secondly, I think in order to compete we need enforcement in many areas of the field which requires minimum 5 players and 7-8 players if possible. We need at least 2 young CBs, young RB, midfield general better than Tach, one or two wingers, and a striker. I am quite pleased with Zebina, Kapo, Chiellini signins and I really hope that Olivier and Chiellini get fair share of chances next year. The problem IMO is that Moggi has somehow missed opportunity to sign Ferrari and Mexes, both an absolute bargain and amazing value for money and havent been aggressiveness enough in signing top quality young attacking player such as Gila and Joaquin. Most importantly, while it is nice to know that Moggi is hard negotiator, there is no need to risk the whole deal over couple of million when supposed signing can bring millions more. I believe that he refused to sign Chivu last year because he felt sums of money in the deal were not justified, and were not great value for money. Value for money represents the relation between a player and transfer fee, and not just the money alone, and I advise Moggi to be honest about the true marginal comtribution of his signing rather than just being a hard negotiator.
This tendency is reflected in recent contract negotiations that resulted in a loss of Davids for nothing, loss of Trezeguet for pittance, and possibly a sale of Enzo Maresca for pittance.
I have been a big fan of his and recognize his contribution to the club over the years, but unless he has good Calcio Mercato, I am going to be one of those calling for his head.
 

#10

Senior Member
Jul 28, 2002
7,377
iim a fan, and a critic, i hope he pull out some of his magic....

BTW blasi will be the new midfield genral...he has the thug look :cool:
 

Espectro

The Grimreaper
Jul 12, 2002
14,565
++ [ originally posted by Jun-hide ] ++
Zizou,

I am pretty sure Moggi and Don Fabio have some plan in their sleeves but what I worry is the quality of that plan both short term and in the long run.:). And more importantly, ability and commitment on the side of management to carry out the plan. Of course my perceptions depend heavily on the accounts provided by various online sources, some of which may be pure fabrication and others true reflection of what happened and thus I do not have idea what their plan exactly is but nonetheless I will argue that our transfer policy hasnt been aggresiveness enough and very short sighted until now. Furthermore, Moggi's style of negotiating is flawed, and does very little to help the team.
As far as I am concerned, attempts to likes of Vieri, Oddo, et al sounds like short term choices that is merely papering over the cracks rather than filling them in. The matter of fact is that we have many players that are around or over 30: Nedved, Tach, Del Piero, Iluliano, Montero, Ferrara, Thuram, Chimenti and many of these players are going to be in the First 11 next year. The last thing we need is another 30+, or nearby 30s in the team, as it will only make the rebuilding much harder in the future. In this sense, Canna, Vieri, Oddo are no-goes despite the fact that they are very good players.
Secondly, I think in order to compete we need enforcement in many areas of the field which requires minimum 5 players and 7-8 players if possible. We need at least 2 young CBs, young RB, midfield general better than Tach, one or two wingers, and a striker. I am quite pleased with Zebina, Kapo, Chiellini signins and I really hope that Olivier and Chiellini get fair share of chances next year. The problem IMO is that Moggi has somehow missed opportunity to sign Ferrari and Mexes, both an absolute bargain and amazing value for money and havent been aggressiveness enough in signing top quality young attacking player such as Gila and Joaquin. Most importantly, while it is nice to know that Moggi is hard negotiator, there is no need to risk the whole deal over couple of million when supposed signing can bring millions more. I believe that he refused to sign Chivu last year because he felt sums of money in the deal were not justified, and were not great value for money. Value for money represents the relation between a player and transfer fee, and not just the money alone, and I advise Moggi to be honest about the true marginal comtribution of his signing rather than just being a hard negotiator.
This tendency is reflected in recent contract negotiations that resulted in a loss of Davids for nothing, loss of Trezeguet for pittance, and possibly a sale of Enzo Maresca for pittance.
I have been a big fan of his and recognize his contribution to the club over the years, but unless he has good Calcio Mercato, I am going to be one of those calling for his head.
This has to be one of the most great post that I have read in a while, 100% agree with you....
 

Zlatan

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2003
23,049
I dont see why Gilardino wouldnt sit on the bench. After all, he was Adriano's sub at Parma, he hasnt become a superstar in 6 months so zthat he cant be benched.
 
Sep 14, 2003
5,800
++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
I dont see why Gilardino wouldnt sit on the bench. After all, he was Adriano's sub at Parma, he hasnt become a superstar in 6 months so zthat he cant be benched.
Yes, but is it really fair for a player to start from the bench after scoring 23 goals in the season before?
 

Mike-e-y

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2004
11,188
++ [ originally posted by Jun-hide ] ++
Zizou,

I am pretty sure Moggi and Don Fabio have some plan in their sleeves but what I worry is the quality of that plan both short term and in the long run.:). And more importantly, ability and commitment on the side of management to carry out the plan. Of course my perceptions depend heavily on the accounts provided by various online sources, some of which may be pure fabrication and others true reflection of what happened and thus I do not have idea what their plan exactly is but nonetheless I will argue that our transfer policy hasnt been aggresiveness enough and very short sighted until now. Furthermore, Moggi's style of negotiating is flawed, and does very little to help the team.
As far as I am concerned, attempts to likes of Vieri, Oddo, et al sounds like short term choices that is merely papering over the cracks rather than filling them in. The matter of fact is that we have many players that are around or over 30: Nedved, Tach, Del Piero, Iluliano, Montero, Ferrara, Thuram, Chimenti and many of these players are going to be in the First 11 next year. The last thing we need is another 30+, or nearby 30s in the team, as it will only make the rebuilding much harder in the future. In this sense, Canna, Vieri, Oddo are no-goes despite the fact that they are very good players.
Secondly, I think in order to compete we need enforcement in many areas of the field which requires minimum 5 players and 7-8 players if possible. We need at least 2 young CBs, young RB, midfield general better than Tach, one or two wingers, and a striker. I am quite pleased with Zebina, Kapo, Chiellini signins and I really hope that Olivier and Chiellini get fair share of chances next year. The problem IMO is that Moggi has somehow missed opportunity to sign Ferrari and Mexes, both an absolute bargain and amazing value for money and havent been aggressiveness enough in signing top quality young attacking player such as Gila and Joaquin. Most importantly, while it is nice to know that Moggi is hard negotiator, there is no need to risk the whole deal over couple of million when supposed signing can bring millions more. I believe that he refused to sign Chivu last year because he felt sums of money in the deal were not justified, and were not great value for money. Value for money represents the relation between a player and transfer fee, and not just the money alone, and I advise Moggi to be honest about the true marginal comtribution of his signing rather than just being a hard negotiator.
This tendency is reflected in recent contract negotiations that resulted in a loss of Davids for nothing, loss of Trezeguet for pittance, and possibly a sale of Enzo Maresca for pittance.
I have been a big fan of his and recognize his contribution to the club over the years, but unless he has good Calcio Mercato, I am going to be one of those calling for his head.
Gotta agree with that post, uve basically summed up everything tht we need good on u m8
 

Zizou

Senior Member
Apr 21, 2003
3,965
Jun-hide

You have raised some good points but the fact remains that none of us really knows what is going on behind the scenes. For all that we know, Moggi might have already wrapped up the transfers of Emerson, Gilardino and all plus some surprising transfer.

At the end of the day it's also not just up to him but on the club's finances. If he is given X amount of money to use for the transfers, he can't do much if a player has a market value of 5X so he will have to go for the players who can be bought with that X amount of money.

Again, neither Moggi nor the rest of the Juve executives and directors are frigging idiots (we're not Inter) and that's why we won so much in these past years. They all know the agining problem and have said that they will re-juvenate the team.

Let's wait till the 31st of August and see what transfers have been made (history taught us that the last minute transfers are usually the biggest ones) then we can all judge, but with a lot of speculation going on and us not knowing much as of yet, we can't really judge a transfer market which has mainly been carried out behind the scenes. Once the curtains open then we can understand and judge better. For the time being let's leave them work in peace ;)
 

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