something bothering about the legal system (3 Viewers)

[Lawnchair Bes]

++ [ originally posted by vitoria_Ally ] ++
I was sarcastic in that first part in the post
I guess I should add more smilies in such posts: rolleyes or sth.

nah its my bad. i read it again and i got your point

 

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[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by Lilianna ] ++


death penalty is also a solution

Mmm why not

 

[swag]

We need to bring back the penal colony concept. Maybe Graham can comment a little on what that's like.

But given how that's no longer possible given the smaller world we now live in, launching them into space doesn't sound like a bad alternative...

 

[Max]

++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++
We need to bring back the penal colony concept. Maybe Graham can comment a little on what that's like.
But given how that's no longer possible given the smaller world we now live in, launching them into space doesn't sound like a bad alternative...

Yeah man, it's possible. The Canadian Tundra (basically a cold desert), which has about 3 inhabitants, would be ideal. Freeze your balls right off.

 

[Layce Erayce]

The death penalty for sexual offenders is ridiculous. I dont wanna die :down:

 

[Majed]

While most westerners think of Mideastern punishment as barbaric (they also dramatize it in movie so that any small offense deserves the death penalty , I think it solves a lot of problems.

Criminals know in advance their punishment.
You steel more than a specified about, you lose your right hand.
You steel less than that amount, you do some times and get lashed a few times.
You rape, you die.
you murder, you die.
you commit adultry, you die.

Of course this only happens when it's 100% proven by a confession, and a specified number of witnesses in each case. Also, the vicitim/victim's family has the right to forgive the offender so that he/she won't be punished.

 

[Bjerknes]

Sounds barbaric to me :undecide:

 

[Majed]

watching a criminal commit the same crime twice(+) sounds more barabaric to me.

but that's just me.

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Sounds barbaric to me :undecide:

What's wrong with lifetime imprisonment, Majed? I just don't believe killing people solves anything ever.

 

[Majed]

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
most westerners think of Mideastern punishment as barbaric

EDIT: how nice that you've added something to that post. and how nice that it doesn't even show "last edited by....etc."


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Now that I can reply to:

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
What's wrong with lifetime imprisonment, Majed? I just don't believe killing people solves anything ever.

1) Differnt lengths of imprisonment are used (which much western media try to make you think otherwise). It all depends on the case. Capital punishment is only used in the cases mentioned above.
2) For someone who's proven to kill, why pay for him for the rest of his life. They all have to be treated well. Imagine a prison where people don't have to fear for their lives. Imagine how many people wouldn't mind commiting bad crimes if they don't have much to live for (poverty..etc.). They'd be setting themselves for free meals, a place to sleep, to hang around and do nothing....

3) it's a form of prevention.

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
2) For someone who's proven to kill, why pay for him for the rest of his life. They all have to be treated well. Imagine a prison where people don't have to fear for their lives. Imagine how many people wouldn't mind commiting bad crimes if they don't have much to live for (poverty..etc.). They'd be setting themselves for free meals, a place to sleep, to hang around and do nothing....

Do you really believe in this or are you just saying it in passing? Do you actually believe that prisoners have such a great time in prison that it helps recruitment? No matter how nice a prison it is, it's still a prison. And I think just about anyone would choosing their own future over being locked up in a place that maybe isn't half bad.

Besides, are Saudi prisons really that wonderful? I'm just asking..

 

[Majed]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++


Do you really believe in this or are you just saying it in passing? Do you actually believe that prisoners have such a great time in prison that it helps recruitment? No matter how nice a prison it is, it's still a prison. And I think just about anyone would choosing their own future over being locked up in a place that maybe isn't half bad.

Besides, are Saudi prisons really that wonderful? I'm just asking..

To make myself more clear, for those who live in poverty. Yes. Don't think of it as people "wanting" to go to jail. Like you said, that's unlikely. Think of it as taking jail more lightly. Punishment doesn't seem that harsh when they think about commiting crimes. In most cases, rapists and murderers are sick people whom usually come from the lower income classes of society. What's going to scare them, dieing or going to jail?


Even Saudi Arabia's system is currept, so no, it's a mess.

 

[Desmond]

As far as i know,chemical castration is approved/pending in some countries for repeat sexual offenders.it could mean dipping the guy's dick in concentrated sulphuric acid for an hour or making him drink something that will get him to lose his balls or something,not too sure myself.

anyway,my point is,if these maniacs are so desperate for sex the last thing they'd want is to have their dicks removed(more so than death.)so this may be an even more effective way of controlling paedophiles,rapists etc.

 

[K10]

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
While most westerners think of Mideastern punishment as barbaric (they also dramatize it in movie so that any small offense deserves the death penalty , I think it solves a lot of problems.

Criminals know in advance their punishment.
You steel more than a specified about, you lose your right hand.
You steel less than that amount, you do some times and get lashed a few times.
You rape, you die.
you murder, you die.
you commit adultry, you die.

Of course this only happens when it's 100% proven by a confession, and a specified number of witnesses in each case. Also, the vicitim/victim's family has the right to forgive the offender so that he/she won't be punished.

You commit adultery you die? That's crazy.

I think those rules are really harsh, then again, why steal/rape/kill in the first place.

 

[Azzurri7]

Death Penalty is kinda unfair, from what i know and what i saw on tv and other things, Like in Saudi Arabia, I don't think it's fair over there the Death Penalty.

Death penalty in Saudi is comminated for sex crimes, drug crimes, Production of Alcohol as well, mmm corruption also, what i hate also is that the Defendants can have NO defender lawyer, i dont think it's fair. And i velieve that the Executions always takes place in Stadium or something like this, infront of many people watching.

Anyhow Hope Majed wouldn't mind what i just said, No offence to Saudi's or to Majed, but my point was that this thing isn't fair.

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
While most westerners think of Mideastern punishment as barbaric (they also dramatize it in movie so that any small offense deserves the death penalty , I think it solves a lot of problems.

Criminals know in advance their punishment.
You steel more than a specified about, you lose your right hand.
You steel less than that amount, you do some times and get lashed a few times.
You rape, you die.
you murder, you die.
you commit adultry, you die.

Of course this only happens when it's 100% proven by a confession, and a specified number of witnesses in each case. Also, the vicitim/victim's family has the right to forgive the offender so that he/she won't be punished.

I wonder, what happen then with that criminal: is he free?? Let's say that he killed someone, the familiy did forgive him and... what's next?

Surely those those type of punishement are very effective.
But even in case of murder, I dont support capital punishement like: head for head. But I support it, when we speak about people, who are not humans anymore: they are fvcking animals, so they should be shoot down like fvking animal, someone like Marc Dutroux. It's shame that we let such people live.

About adultery: I wonder, how many men would stay alive, if we have such punishement here
But I've heard/read, that you treat way different men and women, who commited the adultery: that punishement is weird itself for me, but whwn you treat them so differently, considering people's gender: not fair.

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Desmond ] ++
As far as i know,chemical castration is approved/pending in some countries for repeat sexual offenders.it could mean dipping the guy's dick in concentrated sulphuric acid for an hour or making him drink something that will get him to lose his balls or something,not too sure myself.

anyway,my point is,if these maniacs are so desperate for sex the last thing they'd want is to have their dicks removed(more so than death.)so this may be an even more effective way of controlling paedophiles,rapists etc.

Yes it is, but only in a few countires it's allowed to do that without sexual offenders' permission. In most countires they have the same rights like we have: me, you and all the other innocent people: you cannot force them to anything, cause this is not allowed, cause everyone has the same human rights, even those animals.
So which of them would agree for that, if they want their "job" so much?

 

[Zlatan]

3 strikes and you should out, how many chances do you need?

 

[Lilianna]

++ [ originally posted by DukeVonEggwaffle? ] ++
The death penalty for sexual offenders is ridiculous. I dont wanna die :down:

 

[Lilianna]

++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


Mmm why not

i don't know
i am against death penalty :down: