So Who Should Play for the Azzurri? (14 Viewers)

[Salvatore]

Seriously gonna have a good read of all the shit which has spewed out of people in this thread later. No doubt I will be interested to see this.

 

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[rounder]

Interesting argument . The whole blood thing is nonesense though . You can't look at a player's origin to decide whether or not he should play for the NT. Look at France , if that point was valid then we would have three or four original french players .

It's a matter of talent , not bloodline . The reason Amauri won't get chosen is beacuse he won't add too much to the NT . Italy have far better strikers than him .

Camo's story is diff. not because he has Italian grandparents but he is probably the best right winger in Italy who could add a lot to the italian squad . The fact that he had an Italian heritage merely gave him a better reasopn to join Italy .

Andy has a point though , it is all about talent and has very little to do with blood . People who say it is a matter of bloodline are just talking bullshit .

 

[Éver]

it is all about talent and has very little to do with blood

This is not club football you know.

You shouldnt just go looking around because your own country has a lack of talent.

They should do something themselves to improve this situation.

 

[Salvo]

This is not club football you know.

You shouldnt just go looking around because your own country has a lack of talent.

They should do something themselves to improve this situation.

are you talking about italy or just generally?

 

[Salvo]

cant it just be this simple

camo yes

balotelli yes

amauri no

see what this samba dancer has caused

 

[rounder]

This is not club football you know.

You shouldnt just go looking around because your own country has a lack of talent.

They should do something themselves to improve this situation.

I'm not saying I agree with it but it is the truth . Football nowadays has become a lot less about national pride and a lot more about success .

 

[Salvo]

I'm not saying I agree with it but it is the truth . Football nowadays has become a lot less about national pride and a lot more about success .

its really sad.....

 

[Éver]

Just in general Sempre, not just Italy.

@ Juve Revolution: you are right, but it shouldnt be this way.

 

[rounder]

Just in general Sempre, not just Italy.

@ Juve Revolution: you are right, but it shouldnt be this way.

I agree .

 

[Salvatore]

Zidane was arugably the greatest player ever. He was of Algerian roots, but played for the French team. Damn those French for letting a non French blooded person play for their glorious team. If it was Italy, they would have never let this impure fool play for them, regardless if he was born there or not. He's blood is impure.

Vieira- Senegalese born, plays for France. Oh no he doesn't love France that's why se sucks so much for them right?

Claude Makelele- Born in Congo, plays for France. Oh no he doesn't love France, that's why he is such a bad player right?

Edgar Davids - born in Suriname, played for Holland.

Seedorf-- same as Davids


but you see, no one cares about them. It's ok if players from foreign origins want to play for other teams, but for Italy NOOOOOOOOOO. Because Italian blood is superior to everyone else. Hail Italy!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the drivel. Couldn't give a flying fuck if all those players were picked for their national squads or not. All from countries which don't spell Italy. Keep monging on about how good players are too. Really don't care, because I don't want Amauri for Italy and I actually think he is a good player.

Played on the nonsensical post though you utter cretin.

What Andy is saying is this :

1. If Camoranesi can play for Italy than so can anyone else who has an Italian passport !
2. If Amauri shouldn't play for Italy only because he's not Italian then Camoranesi also shouldn't play.

There shouldn't be option 3 saying :
3. Camoranesi can play for Italy because he has Italian blood through his great grandparents but Amauri can't ONLY because he's not Italian.

It's a different thing if we talk about the pure quality of Amauri and if he deserves to play for Italy because of what he's shown for Palermo.

1. More than just a passport.
2. Camo is Italian, ul.
3. Its grandparents, he is Italian through one of his parents. <- And thats option 4, and its true.

But no, tell me that Camo isn't Italian because of what soil he was born on. Tell me that he will have piss blood so he is no longer Italian.

This has gone beyond hypocritical on your argument, because you're actually trying to argue that Camo is in fact Argentinian.

It's a matter of talent , not bloodline . The reason Amauri won't get chosen is beacuse he won't add too much to the NT . Italy have far better strikers than him .

Agreed on that. Would choose quite a few over him based on current form.

Fucking surprised at the drooling spacktardiness from some of you in here mates.

 

[Salvo]

Thanks for the drivel. Couldn't give a flying fuck if all those players were picked for their national squads or not. All from countries which don't spell Italy. Keep monging on about how good players are too. Really don't care, because I don't want Amauri for Italy and I actually think he is a good player.

Played on the nonsensical post though you utter cretin.



1. More than just a passport.
2. Camo is Italian, ul.
3. Its grandparents, he is Italian through one of his parents. <- And thats option 4, and its true.

But no, tell me that Camo isn't Italian because of what soil he was born on. Tell me that he will have piss blood so he is no longer Italian.

This has gone beyond hypocritical on your argument, because you're actually trying to argue that Camo is in fact Argentinian.



Agreed on that. Would choose quite a few over him based on current form.

Fucking surprised at the drooling spacktardiness from some of you in here mates.

 

[Bjerknes]

Choking at Andy calling other people arrogant

Of course I'm arrogant. But I'm arrogant on a personal level, not in terms of ethnicity or heritage. In some odd way there seems to be some level of racism in this discussion looking at this heritage or blood argument being preached. I mean, the whole "Italian blood" argument is racism within itself because what one is saying is that nobody other than a dark skinned, dark haired Mediterranean could suit up for the Azzurri, just like a whitey couldn't suit up for Ghana. While the whole "blood" argument is void anyway, it seems as if people subconsciously subscribe to it.

Thanks for the drivel. Couldn't give a flying fuck if all those players were picked for their national squads or not. All from countries which don't spell Italy. Keep monging on about how good players are too. Really don't care, because I don't want Amauri for Italy and I actually think he is a good player.

Played on the nonsensical post though you utter cretin.

It's really not drivel. Other nations seemingly have no problem with bringing in other talents, but it's seemingly only Azzurri fans who lash out against it for some reason. But when a foreignor such as Camoranesi comes to play and helps Italy win, you never hear boo about the player's "uncleanliness."

Look at Omar Sivori. He played for Argentina then played for Italy. From all accounts I've seen, Italians consider him an Italian rather than an Argentinian even in spite of the fact he was born in South America. What is it with Italy?

If I'd be more angry I would call that player thievery on the part of Italy.

1. More than just a passport.
2. Camo is Italian, ul.
3. Its grandparents, he is Italian through one of his parents. <- And thats option 4, and its true.

But no, tell me that Camo isn't Italian because of what soil he was born on. Tell me that he will have piss blood so he is no longer Italian.

This has gone beyond hypocritical on your argument, because you're actually trying to argue that Camo is in fact Argentinian.

BUT HE IS ARGENTINIAN! He was a citizen of Argentina BEFORE Italy. That makes him ARGENTINIAN.

PS - His parents were born in Argentina as well.

This is just ridiculous. I can't believe how blind people can be.

I'm German too then, Salvatore. Not American.

 

[Fred]

This is not club football you know.

You shouldnt just go looking around because your own country has a lack of talent.
They should do something themselves to improve this situation.

Nobodys saying that, but if a certain player is a citizen of a given country, then you have no right to stop him from playing for the NT, just because of his "blood".

 

[Seven]

BUT HE IS ARGENTINIAN! He was a citizen of Argentina BEFORE Italy. That makes him ARGENTINIAN.

PS - His parents were born in Argentina as well.

This is just ridiculous. I can't believe how blind people can be.

I'm German too then, Salvatore. Not American.

You don't have German citizenship.

Stop annoying people. You have an agenda, Andy, and it's not a pretty one. It's up to the nations themselves to decide whether or not to give someone citizenship and then it's up to the national team coach to select the players. It's that simple and it is quite honestly the very best system you could have. Stop being such a wanker.

 

[Salvo]

this clearly is never going to be resolved can we not leave it as every 1 is entitled to their own oppinion coz im just finding myslef and every 1 else to be saying the same thing over and over. its getting extremely annoying

 

[Alen]

It's up to the nations themselves to decide whether or not to give someone citizenship and then it's up to the national team coach to select the players. It's that simple and it is quite honestly the very best system you could have. Stop being such a wanker.

I think both of you are saying the same thing and yet you're arguing ! And it's the same thing i am saying.

If Amauri gets an Italian passport and if Donadoni calls him to play for Italy then he has all the rights to play for Italy, right ?
Because that's exactly the same thing that happened to Camo. He didn't have an Italian passport, he wasn't born in Italy. He never stepped on Italian soil until he was 24 but then he got the passport, he got called for the NT and he plays for Italy now. The only connection he had with Italy were his great grand-parents ( or some say his grandparents).

I have absolutely nothing against Camo playing for Italy, but if Amauri gets the passport and gets called then i strongly believe that he can play for Italy.

Unlike some of the members here who think Camo can play for Italy if he gets called by Donadoni but Amauri can't play for Italy even if he gets the passport and gets called by Donadoni, and their reason is "Amauri doesn't have Italian blood while Camo has some of it".
What i don't agree with is the blood argument some are using.

 

[Cuti]

If you are considered a citizen and have a passport you can play for Italy, now whether you are good enough is another story, but if you have a document stating you are Italian, you are

 

[Fred]

I think both of you are saying the same thing and yet you're arguing ! And it's the same thing i am saying.

If Amauri gets an Italian passport and if Donadoni calls him to play for Italy then he has all the rights to play for Italy, right ?
Because that's exactly the same thing that happened to Camo. He didn't have an Italian passport, he wasn't born in Italy. He never stepped on Italian soil until he was 24 but then he got the passport, he got called for the NT and he plays for Italy now. The only connection he had with Italy were his great grand-parents ( or some say his grandparents).

I have absolutely nothing against Camo playing for Italy, but if Amauri gets the passport and gets called then i strongly believe that he can play for Italy.

Unlike some of the members here who think Camo can play for Italy if he gets called by Donadoni but Amauri can't play for Italy even if he gets the passport and gets called by Donadoni, and their reason is "Amauri doesn't have Italian blood while Camo has some of it".
What i don't agree with is the blood argument some are using.

True, like i said, i dont know what the argument is about, both Seven and Andy are saying the exact same thing.

 

[Fred]

If you are considered a citizen and have a passport you can play for Italy, now whether you are good enough is another story, but if you have a document stating you are Italian, you are

Exactly its that simple.

 

[X Æ A-12]

this clearly is never going to be resolved can we not leave it as every 1 is entitled to their own oppinion coz im just finding myslef and every 1 else to be saying the same thing over and over. its getting extremely annoying

Dude I love arguing but I have to agree. I don't think Andy can accept the fact that other people are allowed to have opinions that aren't his own. Personally I do not think that Camo or Amauri should be called up but that's just me.