So Who Should Play for the Azzurri? (6 Viewers)

[Lion]

but how do you know Camo loves Italy?

 

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[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I think he knows it but chooses not to sing it because he considers himself Argentinian if I am not mistaken.

Ohh, that makes a lot of damn sense.

 

[Bjerknes]

His grandparents were Italian, making one of his parents Italian, so making him half Italian. Thats what I see.

But the parent isn't Italian. The parent was born and raised in Argentina, thus not making him/her an Italian.

 

[Bjerknes]

I think he knows it but chooses not to sing it because he considers himself Argentinian if I am not mistaken.

Great! This is lovely.

So Camoranesi doesn't consider himself an Italian yet still plays for the Azzurri. Amauri considers himself Brazilian but would love to play for the Azzurri. Which one would you rather have? The person that loves you or the person that doesn't really care?

This is why this discussion is brilliant. I'm glad Camoranesi doesn't consider himself Italian because it means that the people arguing for him being an Italian are immediately defeated.

 

[Éver]

A line must be drawn somewhere like I said before imo.

You see that Amauri isnt an Italian yet or you leaving that now?

And im not arguing 'for' Camo either, not fussed about what he thinks about Italy tbqh.

 

[Bjerknes]

A line must be drawn somewhere like I said before imo.

You see that Amauri isnt an Italian yet or you leaving that now?

He could be an alien for all I care. Doesn't really matter.

Fact is, there is a non-Italian playing for the Azzurri and people continue to cheer him on while labeling other people rejects. So much hypocrisy I feel like I'm watching George Bush at a fucking war crimes trial.

 

[Salvatore]

But the parent isn't Italian. The parent was born and raised in Argentina, thus not making him/her an Italian.

Seriously? Both parents are Italian and because of birth place you think that the son/daughter isn't? They might feel connected to the country, but they aren't Argentinian in the slightest.

 

[Lion]

I think he knows it but chooses not to sing it because he considers himself Argentinian if I am not mistaken.



Your argument doesn't make sense in terms of NTs. Here you are saying we can make an exception to let this one good player play for Italy. I just don't think you are making a solid argument for Amauri to join the NT with that argument is all I am saying because you say he has no connection to Italy at all but he is "better" than everyone in Italy so he should play for the NT. With that logic, we might as well replace a lot of positions on the NT with another player who plays in Italy who is slightly better. I used Inter because it is an extreme case of what you are saying should be done which is complained about in Italy regularly as well as on this forum.

but how do you know he has no connection to Italy? for all You know he may love Italy. I immigrated to Canada when I was 16. I am now 21. I know the anthem, I do my taxes and I follow the rules of the country. I go to University here and I intend to live a great chunk of my life here. Should I be deported from Canada because I am just an immigrant with no connection to Canada prior to my immigration?

 

[Bjerknes]

Seriously? Both parents are Italian and because of birth place you think that the son/daughter isn't? They might feel connected to the country, but they aren't Argentinian in the slightest.

But they were born and raised in another nation. Who says the famigilia was hardcore Italian anyway? What if they wanted to leave Italy for a reason and become assimilated with another culture?

 

[Éver]

He could be an alien for all I care. Doesn't really matter.

Fact is, there is a non-Italian playing for the Azzurri and people continue to cheer him on while labeling other people rejects. So much hypocrisy I feel like I'm watching George Bush at a fucking war crimes trial.

It does matter actually, since international football is about representing YOUR country iirc.

If he does play for Italy im not going cheer him, because he should be playing for Brazil.

 

[Bjerknes]

but how do you know he has no connection to Italy? for all You know he may love Italy. I immigrated to Canada when I was 16. I am now 21. I know the anthem, I do my taxes and I follow the rules of the country. I intend go University here and I intend to live a great chunk of my life here. Should I be deported from Canada because I am just an immigrant with no connection to Canada prior to my immigration?

Very good point.

 

[Bjerknes]

It does matter actually, since international football is about representing YOUR country iirc.

If he does play for Italy im not going cheer him, because he should be playing for Brazil.

Italy could be Amauri's country one day.

And you should not be cheering for Camo either.

 

[Enron]

Okay, so Camoranesi is "half Italian."

So take this Italian ethnicity and divide it in half. Take 4 and divide it by 2. What do you get? You get 2, which is clearly not 4. 4 does not equal 2.

I have probably about 5% English heritage. Can I play for England?

I have about 25% Irish heritage. Can I play for Ireland?

I have about 75% German heritage. Can I play for Germany? I don't know a word of German but gosh damn, I have that lineage in me that says I can play for Germany. Call up Joachim Löw and tell him I'm ready to go!

If Camo is only half Italian shouldn't a full blooded Italian be chosen before him?

 

[Éver]

And you should not be cheering for Camo either.

Hey, heres the thing you're missing from your rubbish little hypocrisy argument.

I am not cheering Camo.

But im not against it, because he is part Italian

 

[Sarah]

but how do you know he has no connection to Italy? for all You know he may love Italy. I immigrated to Canada when I was 16. I am now 21. I know the anthem, I do my taxes and I follow the rules of the country. I intend go University here and I intend to live a great chunk of my life here. Should I be deported from Canada because I am just an immigrant with no connection to Canada prior to my immigration?

I'm not saying he has no connection to Italy but your initial argument made it seem that way. I'm not saying I disagree with you. I just think you were initially applying the wrong logic to win this argument.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I think it should just be citizenship.

If you live in a country long enough, then you can get your citizenship, bloom, play for that country unless otherwise ineligible

 

[Bjerknes]

Hey, heres the thing you're missing from your rubbish little hypocrisy argument.

I am not cheering Camo.

But im not against it, because he is part Italian

Christ Jesus.

 

[Salvatore]

Great! This is lovely.

So Camoranesi doesn't consider himself an Italian yet still plays for the Azzurri. Amauri considers himself Brazilian but would love to play for the Azzurri. Which one would you rather have? The person that loves you or the person that doesn't really care?

He obviously does care if he plays for the country. Considering himself more Argentinian than Italian is why he doesn't sing the anthem.

 

[Enron]

The thing is, you can bang on about loads of heritage all you like.

What are your parents/grandparents nationality? I think this is a fair enough cut off point for now?

One of Camo's parents is Italian. That makes him Italian. Its simple.

Except its one of his grand parents. Which makes him 3rd Generation.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Except its one of his grand parents. Which makes him 3rd Generation.

Well, it's generations born in the country, so he is second.