should liverpool be allowed into next seasons Champions league (9 Viewers)

[Dan]

++ [ originally posted by HWIENIAWSKI ] ++



no-one has advocated Liverpool replacing everton on this forum. eveyone is in agreement that it would be completely unfair to do that

Then what other option do you suggest?

In the end, it will be a team that has earned their place in the CL when liverpool did not.

Its like saying if for example, Brazil did not qualify for this World Cup, that Brazil should play anyway considering they are the champs.

If liverpool were too poor to get the 4th spot in the premier league, then its no ones fault but themselves and no one else should be a victim of that.

 

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[mikhail]

++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++
Then what other option do you suggest?

Take TNS up on their offer of a playoff, or change the rules to allow the Champions play-off with 4th place if they're not one of the qualified teams, or have a slot for the champions in the qualifiers (to be left as a bye if they qualify normally). There are always options, and the champions should play.

Its like saying if for example, Brazil did not qualify for this World Cup, that Brazil should play anyway considering they are the champs.

Until now, the World Champions didn't even have to try to qualify. I had no qualms with that system, though it's a bit less fair in a team sport like international football than in, say, the World Chess Champonship.

 

[Dan]

++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++

Take TNS up on their offer of a playoff, or change the rules to allow the Champions play-off with 4th place if they're not one of the qualified teams, or have a slot for the champions in the qualifiers (to be left as a bye if they qualify normally). There are always options, and the champions should play.


Until now, the World Champions didn't even have to try to qualify. I had no qualms with that system, though it's a bit less fair in a team sport like international football than in, say, the World Chess Champonship.

TNS should not be taken up, since no more then 4 english teams should be allowed in the CL.

And why should the 4th placed team have to play them? If its a team like everton, that usually is bottom-midtable, and has one great season, surely they are obliged to give their fans a taste of the CL that, im sure is what is all wanted at the club?

 

[The Arif]

No Plans To Change Rules - Uefa

Uefa have insisted that they have no plans to change the rules which prevent Liverpool defending the Champions League.
The Reds claimed the trophy after a penalty shoot-out win over Milan on Wednesday night, but as they didn’t finish in the top four in the Premiership, they do not have an automatic right to re-enter the competition next season.

"The rules are what they are," Uefa spokesman William Gaillard told Radio Five Live. "They were used already once when Real Madrid won...and actually were not among the qualifiers in the Spanish league.

"The Spanish FA told us they would replace the fourth-placed team - Real Zaragoza - with Real Madrid. It is a tough decision to make but it is not for us to make, it is for the FA and they told us Everton would be the fourth English club.

"Rules are rules and they were passed for a very good reason."

 

[swag]

UEFA can make some smart organizational decisions from time to time. No wonder why they even rival FIFA, if not exceed them, at times.

This policy is definitely one of them. Winning the CL shouldn't be a back door ticket to slack off in your domestic league.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by HWIENIAWSKI ] ++



no-one has advocated Liverpool replacing everton on this forum. eveyone is in agreement that it would be completely unfair to do that

Actually, I have.

 

[Zlatan]

TBH, this has nothing to do with UEFA. They have given 4 CL places to the English FA, and it's them that are responsible how they allocate them. This really isn't UEFA's problem.

 

[Henry]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



Actually, I have.

sorry-I always forget about you

j/k yeah I saw that you did right after I posted

 

[swag]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
TBH, this has nothing to do with UEFA. They have given 4 CL places to the English FA, and it's them that are responsible how they allocate them. This really isn't UEFA's problem.

It is and it isn't. UEFA is saying that they are not making any global exceptions to cover for the idea of creating a back-door for a CL winner who otherwise wouldn't qualify the next year through poor domestic play.

They're saying that England gets four slots. Period. And if Liverpool wins the CL and doesn't qualify in domestic play, they're not doing anything to the qualification rules to show the CL winners any special favors towards qualifying. CL winners get no special treatment from them, as it should be.

It's up to the FA, then, to pick up the ridiculous notion that Everton should have been watching the CL final on TV pulling for Milan, because otherwise they would be eliminated from the CL they'd otherwise worked all season to qualify for ... before having ever taken the pitch.

 

[Zlatan]

And I agree with UEFA.

 

[swag]

In some ways, I think there's a little of a double standard to all of this. Had Porto not qualified for the CL this year after winning it last season, I seriously doubt there would be nearly as many people vocally calling for Porto's "right to defend their CL title".

And yet Porto arguably had a far more talented team than this year's Pool.

 

[Henry]

I'm not sure about the double standards thing.....plus, there wasn't much question of Porto not qualifying

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
And I agree with UEFA.

 

[Elnur_E65]

FA did tell UEFA that it will be Everton.

Rules are rules.

 

[Steviee]

This is most certainly UEFAs problem. The FA are under no obligation to grant us the 4th spot ahead of Everton, that would be completely unfair to Everton regardless of how much I dislike them! But we have won UEFAs premier cup competition, they would be shooting themselves in the foot by not including us in next seasons tournament. We have won their tournament and it's madness to exlude us. In the old days the winner would always return to defend their trophy, even if they did not win their domestic league title.

The winners must defend their trophy. I would even say it would not even be a legitimate tournament next season if the winners are not present!
Frankly, the European champions are more deserving of a qualifying place than the champions of Cyprus, Wales, Latvia etc. teams who will not even qualify from the qualifying stage.
And you would be saying EXACTLY the same if you were in the same position as Liverpool!

 

[jaecole]

It said on the news something about the UEFA site clearly stating a place for the current holders. I'd look for it but I cant be bothered.

Either way, who cares, we will be out in the first group stage anyway. Atleast this way we can pretend like we could have won it again

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++
Either way, who cares, we will be out in the first group stage anyway. Atleast this way we can pretend like we could have won it again

 

[Bjerknes]

Absolutely not. It would be entirely unfair to the club that is sacrificed just because the winner wants a spot in next year's competition even though they didn't really earn it. If the FA picks Liverpool over Everton that would be quite a tragedy. The latter has had a great season and all their fans and players are relishing the prospect of playing in next year's Champions League. To destroy that chance for Everton would be terrible for their club and not fair at all to the fans and players that supported and fought for their team on their march to the final CL spot. Hopefully the people in charge have more sense than that.

And absolutely not again for England getting a 5th spot in the CL. That would cost some other club their chance to play in the CL, due to UEFA bending the rules for this one oustanding case.

To play in the Champions League you must qualify. Liverpool did not qualify for the CL and they only have themselves to blame.

 

[jaecole]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Absolutely not. It would be entirely unfair to the club that is sacrificed just because the winner wants a spot in next year's competition even though they didn't really earn it. If the FA picks Liverpool over Everton that would be quite a tragedy. The latter has had a great season and all their fans and players are relishing the prospect of playing in next year's Champions League. To destroy that chance for Everton would be terrible for their club and not fair at all to the fans and players that supported and fought for their team on their march to the final CL spot. Hopefully the people in charge have more sense than that.

That isn't being considered.

And absolutely not again for England getting a 5th spot in the CL. That would cost some other club their chance to play in the CL, due to UEFA bending the rules for this one oustanding case.

The rules state 4 places for England, 4 for Italy etc and also 1 place for Current holders. This was shown today on BBC news referencing to a table taken from the offical UEFA website. I'd look for it but I cant be bothered.

To play in the Champions League you must qualify. Liverpool did not qualify for the CL and they only have themselves to blame.

From the table stated, they have qualified.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

why dont they allow them ?