If Grecee can win the European Championship, nothing will prevent Udinese from wining the CL if only they had Liverpool's luck and fitness and Grecee player's discipline and boring deffensive 6-4-0 tactic...
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Erm, don't forget about Inter Jae.
And Udinese is very good side with a very good coach. But an even better fit for the Champions League would be Sampdoria. Novellino is a brilliant tactician and they have one of the best defensive records in Serie A this year. If any team other than the big three in Italy could progress past the second round, I could actually see Sampdoria progressing through as well. Of course the group stage draw would have to be kind to them, sort of like Liverpool's this year.
And Udinese is very good side with a very good coach. But an even better fit for the Champions League would be Sampdoria. Novellino is a brilliant tactician and they have one of the best defensive records in Serie A this year. If any team other than the big three in Italy could progress past the second round, I could actually see Sampdoria progressing through as well. Of course the group stage draw would have to be kind to them, sort of like Liverpool's this year.
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Erm, don't forget about Inter Jae.
And Udinese is very good side with a very good coach. But an even better fit for the Champions League would be Sampdoria. Novellino is a brilliant tactician and they have one of the best defensive records in Serie A this year. If any team other than the big three in Italy could progress past the second round, I could actually see Sampdoria progressing through as well. Of course the group stage draw would have to be kind to them, sort of like Liverpool's this year.
Erm, don't forget about Inter Jae.
And Udinese is very good side with a very good coach. But an even better fit for the Champions League would be Sampdoria. Novellino is a brilliant tactician and they have one of the best defensive records in Serie A this year. If any team other than the big three in Italy could progress past the second round, I could actually see Sampdoria progressing through as well. Of course the group stage draw would have to be kind to them, sort of like Liverpool's this year.
I didn't forget Inter.
Well I don't think a team like Everton will be able to compete at the top levels of Europe either, even though their work rate is indeed high. Another aspect of football that can take teams further than expected is their tactics, just like Liverpool. Sampdoria plays a solid defensive game that shuts down the center of the pitch and strikes hard on the counter. Just the way they play could cause some teams some unexpected trouble. Extra workrate is indeed something good to have, however it's not everything. Personally I would favor the tactical part of the game, but that's just me.
But it's also a construct where one or two bad referee calls can easily mean the difference between not making it through the elimination rounds and winning the cup.
There's a reason why baseball's World Series is up to 7 games, for example. Imperfect, but it's a far fairer alternative than just two games - under the guise of "every game matters". Or even worse, in the case of the CL Final, just one game.
You can't sleaze your way to the top of the EPL table with a series of bad ref calls, escaping unfortunate injuries and disqualifications, etc., over 38 games.
I'd take Udinese over Liverpool in a two-game match anyday, though.
There's a reason why baseball's World Series is up to 7 games, for example. Imperfect, but it's a far fairer alternative than just two games - under the guise of "every game matters". Or even worse, in the case of the CL Final, just one game.
You can't sleaze your way to the top of the EPL table with a series of bad ref calls, escaping unfortunate injuries and disqualifications, etc., over 38 games.
I'd take Udinese over Liverpool in a two-game match anyday, though.
You know, I agree with you, Dan. I feel it filtered out more of the luck, etc., than going to the elimination rounds right away ... eventhough all the clubs are for the rest period of fewer matches.
Simple probabilities. If you flip a coin and 8 times out of 10 it will come up heads, tails has greater chances of coming up the overall winner out of two tosses when compared to four.
Simple probabilities. If you flip a coin and 8 times out of 10 it will come up heads, tails has greater chances of coming up the overall winner out of two tosses when compared to four.
A few seasons ago Real Madrid won the CL but finished 5th and which point the Spanish FA promptly threw Zaragoza, the 4th place team, into the UEFA cup and Real Madrid in CL.
How did this affect Zaragoza? They lost out on large sums of revenue through not being in the Champions League which I'm sure must have hurt.
So I think UEFA will not change the rule as then. Spanish FA made a painful decision to chose between Real Madrid (the CL champions) and Zaragoza (the 4th place team).
So the FA should stop the nonsense and make a decision like Spanish FA.
it would be unfair to the spanish if UEFA change the rule
How did this affect Zaragoza? They lost out on large sums of revenue through not being in the Champions League which I'm sure must have hurt.
So I think UEFA will not change the rule as then. Spanish FA made a painful decision to chose between Real Madrid (the CL champions) and Zaragoza (the 4th place team).
So the FA should stop the nonsense and make a decision like Spanish FA.
it would be unfair to the spanish if UEFA change the rule
My hometown team, Bendel Insurance, once went wild on the contintent. They brought home the bacon: The West African Football Union (WAFU) Cup. The first time a Nigerian club had done so in 20 odd years. The downside was that their league form suffered. Badly. They slid all the way to the bottom of the table and were set for relegation. The Nigerian FA then made a stunning decision: No team would be relegated that season. Bendel Insurance was saved and has never plumbed such depths since then.
However, Everton and Liverpool are big rivals in the same city. The last time the FA subbed one city rival for another it caused hatred that's lasted to this day. I'm talking about Arsenal and Spurs. But that decision was a little easier cos Arsenal had an influential chairman, and we'd shown loyalty to the then Football League from the day it was born. Unlike some people
Look at it this way...
The World Cup qualifying tournament is seen as a part of the World Cup (FIFA borrowing UEFA's policy as regards the European Championship), which is why the champions have to qualify...
Using that logic, last season's league competition should also be the qualifying tournament for this season's Champion's League...
So Pool should go back and try to qualify through the laid down route!
The World Cup qualifying tournament is seen as a part of the World Cup (FIFA borrowing UEFA's policy as regards the European Championship), which is why the champions have to qualify...
Using that logic, last season's league competition should also be the qualifying tournament for this season's Champion's League...
So Pool should go back and try to qualify through the laid down route!
