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ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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Why would you ask the second question at all if you're rejecting any answer except the one you think is the right answer? :shifty: I wouldn't shoot Philando Castile, I wouldn't kill Eric Garner, and I wouldn't shoot a man who is running away from me (Walter Scott), and if I knew I would abuse my power like that I'd find a job that wouldn't risk people's lives. But of course you'd say my answer is wrong because I don't realize how tough a job it is but then what's the point of asking the question you ask? Now a better question (I truly want to know the answer) is does a jury member who has to decide on such cases need to have some sort of experience in law enforcement? Because it seems to be a very important criterion to assess the validity of people's opinions in this thread.
You read my mind Hoori :)

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Your first answer is preposterous to say the least.

As for your second, i don't think you realize how tough of job it is in general, and in inner cities in particular.
Your hypothetical questions are preposterous to say the least
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/07/cha...hootings-baton-rouge-dallas-minnesota-tnt-nba

Brilliant. Well said Charles :tup:

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Well, I've never had the pleasure of having the police ensure the safety of my loved ones or myself.

A better job than what? If I were a cop, I wouldn't shoot someone I pulled over, I can tell you that.
Do you think that's all cops do? :lol:

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Why would you ask the second question at all if you're rejecting any answer except the one you think is the right answer? :shifty: I wouldn't shoot Philando Castile, I wouldn't kill Eric Garner, and I wouldn't shoot a man who is running away from me (Walter Scott), and if I knew I would abuse my power like that I'd find a job that wouldn't risk people's lives. But of course you'd say my answer is wrong because I don't realize how tough a job it is but then what's the point of asking the question you ask? Now a better question (I truly want to know the answer) is does a jury member who has to decide on such cases need to have some sort of experience in law enforcement? Because it seems to be a very important criterion to assess the validity of people's opinions in this thread.
I think most of the time a jury is decided at random. Literally, any day someone can get a letter in the mail being called in for jury duty and by law you have to go. So no, they don't need experience tailored to the case.

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@ALC

read this:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myths-of-black-lives-matter-1468087453

And this:

https://ricochet.com/the-war-on-cops/


Of course she doesn't walk lock step with certain narratives but does well to disapprove many theories of the BLM.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
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Slavery is the main reason I can think of.

Most of the black immigrants (if not all) didn't come to America with empty brain.
West indians were slaves too

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Why would you ask the second question at all if you're rejecting any answer except the one you think is the right answer? :shifty: I wouldn't shoot Philando Castile, I wouldn't kill Eric Garner, and I wouldn't shoot a man who is running away from me (Walter Scott), and if I knew I would abuse my power like that I'd find a job that wouldn't risk people's lives. But of course you'd say my answer is wrong because I don't realize how tough a job it is but then what's the point of asking the question you ask? Now a better question (I truly want to know the answer) is does a jury member who has to decide on such cases need to have some sort of experience in law enforcement? Because it seems to be a very important criterion to assess the validity of people's opinions in this thread.
The problem is, as with all operations related jobs, you only notice it when shit hits the fan. If electricity goes you don't say fuck electricity. You try to fix whatever issue caused it as best as you can. ALC came here to say fuck 5.0, yes very original, i wanna see how he can survive without them and if he can do a better job. But it's still funny that you would only compare yourself to the 0.1% when talking about police.

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This is a really good speech

 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Obama's speech at the Memorial service in Dallas.

What a joke that man is. Horrible president. Only a narcissist would mention himself as often as he did. Only a race baiting instigator would make the tragic death of 5 police officers about race in how "black men are treated differently in law".


And ALC, probably the worst post I've seen you make about the "fuck 5.0". I really hope you were joking.

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And then you have this moron:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/07...in-black-neighborhood-im-sorry-black-america/

In a city where blacks kill more blacks than white on black crime...:sergio:

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http://heatst.com/culture-wars/univ...k-lives-matter-faces-expulsion-death-threats/

The irony in Murican' liberalism. Read the text between the students :howler:
 

campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
16,789
Obama's speech at the Memorial service in Dallas.

What a joke that man is. Horrible president. Only a narcissist would mention himself as often as he did. Only a race baiting instigator would make the tragic death of 5 police officers about race in how "black men are treated differently in law".


And ALC, probably the worst post I've seen you make about the "fuck 5.0". I really hope you were joking.

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And then you have this moron:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/07...in-black-neighborhood-im-sorry-black-america/

In a city where blacks kill more blacks than white on black crime...:sergio:

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http://heatst.com/culture-wars/univ...k-lives-matter-faces-expulsion-death-threats/

The irony in Murican' liberalism. Read the text between the students :howler:
Obama is a competent president, but he is a joke on radical Islam and black on black violence.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,320
What I like most about Americans is that they'll start some irrelevant shit, preferably with a catchy slogan, and then debate endlessly over that irrelevant shit rather than what was supposed to be the issue.

But yeah, whetther this BLM movement is a good thing or bullshit.. Yeah, that's what you should focus on. Not on the fact that apparently cops kill innocent people for virtually no reason.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
What I like most about Americans is that they'll start some irrelevant shit, preferably with a catchy slogan, and then debate endlessly over that irrelevant shit rather than what was supposed to be the issue.

But yeah, whetther this BLM movement is a good thing or bullshit.. Yeah, that's what you should focus on. Not on the fact that apparently cops kill innocent people for virtually no reason.
Cops don't kill people for virtually no reason. And if they do, they will face their time in court. Innocent until proven guilty. This isn't Italy or some Banana Republic where you are guilty until proven innocent.

There is no "cop problem" in this country. It's fabricated by attention whores trying to gain something like the BLM and only supported by politicians if it means they can get more voters and keep minorities in their pocket.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,320
Cops don't kill people for virtually no reason. And if they do, they will face their time in court. Innocent until proven guilty. This isn't Italy or some Banana Republic where you are guilty until proven innocent.

There is no "cop problem" in this country. It's fabricated by attention whores trying to gain something like the BLM and only supported by politicians if it means they can get more voters and keep minorities in their pocket.
Of course people are innocent till proven guilty. You know who is innocent too? OJ.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Of course people are innocent till proven guilty. You know who is innocent too? OJ.
Yep. A diverse jury were convinced by a defense funded by millions in wealth to focus on a glove that didn't fit.


No justice system is perfect. But I'll take trial by jury with the "innocent until proven guilty" ideal over what we see around the world.

I'll say it again: We don't have a cop problem. If a President is to focus on white cops killing black men then why the fuck isn't that same veracity being shown towards urban communities where black on black crime is the dominant statistic in black deaths?

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Furthermore, there are plenty of blacks and whites in poor inner city communities that are begging for more policing because they can't let their children outside to play or their schools are unsafe. Won't hear about them, though. Goes against the grain...

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It's like there is an even BIGGER problem staring minorities right in the face but the focus is on white law enforcement...fascinating.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,320
Yep. A diverse jury were convinced by a defense funded by millions in wealth to focus on a glove that didn't fit.
You sort of missed my point. The only reason OJ walked is because people were convinced the LAPD was racist and the prosecution's crown witness did in fact turn out to be a racist cop. If you refuse to tackle the mishaps by cops and claim there is no issue or at the very least that this isn't a black issue at all, you are setting your society up for the same kind of divisiveness that happened during the OJ trial.

Why not respond by saying that of course black lives matter too, that's a given. But that any case should be investigated before people jump to conclusions. That would be a much more sensible answer than saying there is no cop problem, which you just don't know at this point.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
You sort of missed my point. The only reason OJ walked is because people were convinced the LAPD was racist and the prosecution's crown witness did in fact turn out to be a racist cop. If you refuse to tackle the mishaps by cops and claim there is no issue or at the very least that this isn't a black issue at all, you are setting your society up for the same kind of divisiveness that happened during the OJ trial.

Why not respond by saying that of course black lives matter too, that's a given. But that any case should be investigated before people jump to conclusions. That would be a much more sensible answer than saying there is no cop problem, which you just don't know at this point.
I did miss the point. :D

I couldn't tell if you were indicating the justice system is flawed (which I think you do?) or if race played a part in the final verdict so I sorta tried to eliminate them.

Bolded: I agree, but if you try to tell the BLM that "all lives matter", well, you can imagine their reaction. All lives should matter, and that should be the ground zero common sense this stuff should be built on but it isn't and you have media outlets running with certain narratives and it makes the situation burn out of control. (Michael Brown case, for example)

The way the "cop problem" is being portrayed is that black men are mistreated by white cops. And it ends there, literally. By completely ignoring a bigger problem by refusing to give equal attention to then, well, what can you do?
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,749
I think it described really well the dynamics of crime vs authoritarian methods vs civil rights vs market economy vs broken democracies. The problem is not the system, the problem is in men.
Which is why I don't think communism, capitalism, totalitarianism, etc., are inherently bad ... primarily it's the people operating it.

Yep some cultures are more encouraging of sacrifice which therefore translates to success, germans Japanese and jews tend to adhere to sime self discipline which helps them flourish in modern societies. Also check out this vid regarding systems which encourage less corruption

Great vid. :tup:

Why would you ask the second question at all if you're rejecting any answer except the one you think is the right answer? :shifty: I wouldn't shoot Philando Castile, I wouldn't kill Eric Garner, and I wouldn't shoot a man who is running away from me (Walter Scott), and if I knew I would abuse my power like that I'd find a job that wouldn't risk people's lives. But of course you'd say my answer is wrong because I don't realize how tough a job it is but then what's the point of asking the question you ask? Now a better question (I truly want to know the answer) is does a jury member who has to decide on such cases need to have some sort of experience in law enforcement? Because it seems to be a very important criterion to assess the validity of people's opinions in this thread.
It's a challenging question based on the American law principle of what a "reasonable person" would do under the circumstances.
 

ZoSo

Senior Member
Jul 11, 2011
41,656
Obama's speech at the Memorial service in Dallas.

What a joke that man is. Horrible president. Only a narcissist would mention himself as often as he did. Only a race baiting instigator would make the tragic death of 5 police officers about race in how "black men are treated differently in law".


And ALC, probably the worst post I've seen you make about the "fuck 5.0". I really hope you were joking.

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And then you have this moron:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/07...in-black-neighborhood-im-sorry-black-america/

In a city where blacks kill more blacks than white on black crime...:sergio:

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http://heatst.com/culture-wars/univ...k-lives-matter-faces-expulsion-death-threats/

The irony in Murican' liberalism. Read the text between the students :howler:
'we both know black people cannot be bigots'

:lol::lol::lol:
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
The problem is, as with all operations related jobs, you only notice it when shit hits the fan. If electricity goes you don't say fuck electricity. You try to fix whatever issue caused it as best as you can. ALC came here to say fuck 5.0, yes very original, i wanna see how he can survive without them and if he can do a better job. But it's still funny that you would only compare yourself to the 0.1% when talking about police.
I'm not saying we can survive without them but I believe their job can be done better. The starting point for "try to fix whatever issue caused" the problem is to acknowledge the problem, implicit in which is the fact that the said job has room for improvement.

It's a challenging question based on the American law principle of what a "reasonable person" would do under the circumstances.
His question is fine. He is not interested in the answer though, if it is not what he thinks is the right answer he'll reject it. There's no challenge whatsoever in that question.

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Maybe quite off-topic but what Bush says at 3:24 - 3:32 and gets applauded for made me feel like crying and puking a little bit.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,780
I'm not saying we can survive without them but I believe their job can be done better. The starting point for "try to fix whatever issue caused" the problem is to acknowledge the problem, implicit in which is the fact that the said job has room for improvement.



His question is fine. He is not interested in the answer though, if it is not what he thinks is the right answer he'll reject it. There's no challenge whatsoever in that question.

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Maybe quite off-topic but what Bush says at 3:24 - 3:32 and gets applauded for made me feel like crying and puking a little bit.
My point is problem is more with the african American culture than it is with the police
 

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