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It's real. And it's heartbreaking.
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1.) According to you.
2.) I often say almost identical statements, so, instead of rephrasing or overstating something that has already been highlighted by either one of them, its easy to simply agree and commend them for a fine post. I've never been shy stating my opinion on here. I'm sure you have never replied in a similar manner in one of your 19,900 posts, right?
3.) You are the first person on this forum that finds it weak and annoying when someone agrees with another members post. Odd to say the least.
2.) I often say almost identical statements, so, instead of rephrasing or overstating something that has already been highlighted by either one of them, its easy to simply agree and commend them for a fine post. I've never been shy stating my opinion on here. I'm sure you have never replied in a similar manner in one of your 19,900 posts, right?
3.) You are the first person on this forum that finds it weak and annoying when someone agrees with another members post. Odd to say the least.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/200-protesters-arrested-baton-rouge-st-paul-overnight/story?id=40467365
Time to label these imbeciles a terrorist and/or hate group. They are no different than the BPP.
Time to label these imbeciles a terrorist and/or hate group. They are no different than the BPP.
It won't be as effective I'm afraid. People are not perceived to be equal in human value. An Iraqi is not as valuable a human being as a French. A Palestinian is not as valuable as an Israeli. They are one of so many other poor people like themselves who we have decided to believe that are in some way responsible for their plight. We feel sorry for them but their unfortunate situation has become normalized so much that we are not enraged anymore. Granted, that's how we humans are supposed to be because if we became emotionally engaged and invested in every upsetting situation in the world we wouldn't be able to function properly. But for people of that particular race, or religion, or nationality, who are lower in value because they are poor, underdeveloped, oppressed, uneducated, etc, things have to be different. Now, why should we frame something as a human rights thing when it is indeed their thing? Why should we hijack their movement only to stop caring about it after we're bored (and we'll be bored because that's not our thing). Why is it so offensive to us if they say their lives matter? Can't we just say the same thing next to them instead of making it a point that we participate (for a while) if you say all lives matter?
This is of course only my personal opinion, I'm neither American nor black but I find it disturbing that police brutality should have so many sympathizers here or anywhere else on the internet. "Because some crime is involved", "because stats say so", "because they don't behave", "because self-defense", "because what about gangs", can't wrap my head around these.
This is of course only my personal opinion, I'm neither American nor black but I find it disturbing that police brutality should have so many sympathizers here or anywhere else on the internet. "Because some crime is involved", "because stats say so", "because they don't behave", "because self-defense", "because what about gangs", can't wrap my head around these.
I don't think I see anyone sympathizing with police brutality. What I do see, however, primarily with the BLM rubbish, are people that can't handle police officers being adjudicated. In their minds they escape punishment, when on the contrary, the facts when decided in court by a jury suggest no punishment is needed. Of course, you also see in the news from time to time officers being punished for their mistakes but you won't see nearly as much media coverage as those that "get away with murder" and you seem to buy right into it.
As soon as something like this happens you see the media absolutely destroy the officer(s) in question without even knowing all the facts. Take for example, the officer in the Michael Brown fiasco or the Freddy Gray murder in Baltimore...public officials like Stephanie Rawlings-Blake (Baltimore Mayor), the Governor of MN, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, hell even all the way up to the President instantly drop the race card and blame on the officer BEFORE the facts are even presented in court. Now these officers careers are ruined and labeled racists for the rest of their lives simply by enforcing the law and their right for self-defense.
I know for a fact that just like white cops can be biased against black men/women, the exact same thing can be said about black cops targeting white men/women.
Point is, its always going to happen but people are too quick to assume before their time in court has expired.
As soon as something like this happens you see the media absolutely destroy the officer(s) in question without even knowing all the facts. Take for example, the officer in the Michael Brown fiasco or the Freddy Gray murder in Baltimore...public officials like Stephanie Rawlings-Blake (Baltimore Mayor), the Governor of MN, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, hell even all the way up to the President instantly drop the race card and blame on the officer BEFORE the facts are even presented in court. Now these officers careers are ruined and labeled racists for the rest of their lives simply by enforcing the law and their right for self-defense.
I know for a fact that just like white cops can be biased against black men/women, the exact same thing can be said about black cops targeting white men/women.
Point is, its always going to happen but people are too quick to assume before their time in court has expired.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/u...e-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=0
Interesting read from the NYT (Harvard Prof.)
Apparently, you don't see the officer bias with shootings but you see it with other forms of physical force being used.
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Agreeing with someone isn't really egging that person on. Certainly not in the sense I responded to Andy's post or as Hoori implied I do with X. I think its fairly safe to say neither need to be egged on as they are more than able to post their own opinions without reassurance from me.
Interesting read from the NYT (Harvard Prof.)
Apparently, you don't see the officer bias with shootings but you see it with other forms of physical force being used.
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Agreeing with someone isn't really egging that person on. Certainly not in the sense I responded to Andy's post or as Hoori implied I do with X. I think its fairly safe to say neither need to be egged on as they are more than able to post their own opinions without reassurance from me.
That there are racist police who need to get dafuq out of their uniform is no question.
But unfortunately, it isn't exclusively a racial thing -- despite how she tries to paint it. Officer Caesar Goodson Jr. is facing the most serious charges in Baltimore's Freddie Gray case, and he's black. The problem isn't just white skin in a blue uniform. Hence painting the problem as an exclusively black vs. white thing is both inaccurate and ineffective in the end.
Great point about the relativism that exists between different races, nationalities, and people.
But this is politics in terms of political change. When you are a minority, you will always be overlooked. It's not just America... it's the world. About the only exception is women, because they strangely make a majority of people and yet have a minority status.
If you keep your issues insular, they remain insular. If you attribute them to universal values, you have a greater shot at building a majority momentum to enact change. Yes, you sacrifice "your thing" and your exclusive identity by broadening it. But you're effectively marginalizing your cause, ensuring you stay on the fringes and pretty much condemning it to ineffectiveness if you keep it as your insular thing.
And as I point out above, framing it as exclusively a "black thing" is one perspective but it's not the only one and thus is not representative of the greater problem. It doesn't account for all the white-on-white lethal policing in predominantly white states like Wyoming and West Virginia.
This is why political coalitions matter all over the world. Without them, no single party in Greece gets elected, for example.
But unfortunately, it isn't exclusively a racial thing -- despite how she tries to paint it. Officer Caesar Goodson Jr. is facing the most serious charges in Baltimore's Freddie Gray case, and he's black. The problem isn't just white skin in a blue uniform. Hence painting the problem as an exclusively black vs. white thing is both inaccurate and ineffective in the end.
Great point about the relativism that exists between different races, nationalities, and people.
But this is politics in terms of political change. When you are a minority, you will always be overlooked. It's not just America... it's the world. About the only exception is women, because they strangely make a majority of people and yet have a minority status.
If you keep your issues insular, they remain insular. If you attribute them to universal values, you have a greater shot at building a majority momentum to enact change. Yes, you sacrifice "your thing" and your exclusive identity by broadening it. But you're effectively marginalizing your cause, ensuring you stay on the fringes and pretty much condemning it to ineffectiveness if you keep it as your insular thing.
And as I point out above, framing it as exclusively a "black thing" is one perspective but it's not the only one and thus is not representative of the greater problem. It doesn't account for all the white-on-white lethal policing in predominantly white states like Wyoming and West Virginia.
This is why political coalitions matter all over the world. Without them, no single party in Greece gets elected, for example.
At one side its an extremely powerfull video which hits many nails on the head
On the other side, she also points out the enormous dangers of gun threats in african american neighbourhoods. So i will say that its logical that cops automatically will be more alert and less riskfull against them, and there is a higher chance that it goes wrong while not intended.
Hence, she'll lower her guard more against an elderly white couple compared to a gang profile kid.
She too quickly jumps the racism bandwagon, which she shouldnt do because of the above. But the standards of the police force should be raised
In holland for example, you can see mostly morrocan youth absolutely insult and crap on roadpolice when getting a ticket. But they hold it togheter and dont abuse their power. Beeing friendly can get you out of a ticket tho, as has been the case for me alot.
So i'm thinking that
the african americans should look at their own community and realise that they are a creating a big issue on their own thanks to violence statistics and aggressive behavior.
Police force should look into raising its standards, because abuse of power still happens, tho not as frappant as 2-3 decades ago
Be more selective in which cops go into these black dangerzones.
On the other side, she also points out the enormous dangers of gun threats in african american neighbourhoods. So i will say that its logical that cops automatically will be more alert and less riskfull against them, and there is a higher chance that it goes wrong while not intended.
Hence, she'll lower her guard more against an elderly white couple compared to a gang profile kid.
She too quickly jumps the racism bandwagon, which she shouldnt do because of the above. But the standards of the police force should be raised
In holland for example, you can see mostly morrocan youth absolutely insult and crap on roadpolice when getting a ticket. But they hold it togheter and dont abuse their power. Beeing friendly can get you out of a ticket tho, as has been the case for me alot.
So i'm thinking that
the african americans should look at their own community and realise that they are a creating a big issue on their own thanks to violence statistics and aggressive behavior.
Police force should look into raising its standards, because abuse of power still happens, tho not as frappant as 2-3 decades ago
Be more selective in which cops go into these black dangerzones.
I get the "being more alert" part. What we have seen in these recent videos and some similar stuff do not suggest that though, and she's exactly saying the same thing. There was another interview with her in which she was saying "there are so many cases that blacks think of as unjustified shooting and I tell them as a police officer that those are indeed justified." Stats and danger and gangs and even previous records of particular victims are absolutely irrelevant in some of these shooting instances. It's either a race issue (I'm not saying a hate issue, what i mean is that to the police officer it's like "they are a savage bunch, one less of them, who cares"), or sheer incompetence, both of which deserves attention and has to be addressed in my opinion. A normal human being (let alone a trained cop) should never shoot another human like that.
The part I don't get is where you say the African Americans should look at their own community. They should but they don't have to do that in order to be eligible to demand a fairer treatment because these two are two different problems. Interrelated maybe, but different. Besides, what about a black American who's not a gang member, who's not violent, who's not armed, but is born into a black family and while he's survived the terrible conditions in his own community, he could get shot in his next interaction with a police officer. Isn't it punishing a victim again because the victim happens to be the same color as those who's been making his life miserable already? Maybe it's not the best analogy but i feel it's similar to bombing places in which we think terrorists are living. We're killing people who're themselves the biggest victims of terrorism. Then it doesn't make sense to me to point the finger at them and say you should look at your community and solve the terrorism problem because until that time, we're bombing you because you look like terrorists.
The part I don't get is where you say the African Americans should look at their own community. They should but they don't have to do that in order to be eligible to demand a fairer treatment because these two are two different problems. Interrelated maybe, but different. Besides, what about a black American who's not a gang member, who's not violent, who's not armed, but is born into a black family and while he's survived the terrible conditions in his own community, he could get shot in his next interaction with a police officer. Isn't it punishing a victim again because the victim happens to be the same color as those who's been making his life miserable already? Maybe it's not the best analogy but i feel it's similar to bombing places in which we think terrorists are living. We're killing people who're themselves the biggest victims of terrorism. Then it doesn't make sense to me to point the finger at them and say you should look at your community and solve the terrorism problem because until that time, we're bombing you because you look like terrorists.
I understand what you are saying. And while the officer can be more cautious, he should give the same rights and fairness regardless of color, gender, origin,..
There is however a huge issue with violence in poor black neighbourhoods. Issues with violence and murders. People from such communities shouldnt immediatly jump ship and jump a racism bandwagon, because there are very significant reasons to be treating everyone like a potential killer when leaving fairness and ethnics aside. I'm very certain the grand majority of the police doesnt do this over there, but are cautious nontheless. The abuse needs to be rooted out, but it is non systematic, its some idiotic individuals.
Thing is, knowing all this, why be uncooperative against an officer who isnt beeing unfair ? Why immediatly complain and giving an attitude when asked a simple check of papers ? Why be rude and insulting against them ?
We see these things over and over on any youtube or variant.
Why ? If you think cops are racist white pigs who'll rape kill and slaughter at any given chance, why give them the opportunity in the first place.
Goddamn, how many times did i got out of a serious fine, because i was immediatly admitting my wrong and appologising when i was driving double the speed limit. Avoided a ticket two weeks ago for beeing parked on the street next to the nightshop with 4 indicators on cause to lazy to park it, getting verbally shafted by a police officer, who was frustrated and just wanted to give me a good fine. Nah, i let him shout at me, admitted it was wrong and appologised.
No ticket. Sometimes you just have to suck it up.
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Every person should be obedient to cops. I am. Saved me alot of money.
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Pretty sure that if i was going to be putting up attitude at the goddamn 700th time i get searched at the airport cause the plate in my leg set off their old as fuck detectors, that i would have gotten a cavity exam by now
There is however a huge issue with violence in poor black neighbourhoods. Issues with violence and murders. People from such communities shouldnt immediatly jump ship and jump a racism bandwagon, because there are very significant reasons to be treating everyone like a potential killer when leaving fairness and ethnics aside. I'm very certain the grand majority of the police doesnt do this over there, but are cautious nontheless. The abuse needs to be rooted out, but it is non systematic, its some idiotic individuals.
Thing is, knowing all this, why be uncooperative against an officer who isnt beeing unfair ? Why immediatly complain and giving an attitude when asked a simple check of papers ? Why be rude and insulting against them ?
We see these things over and over on any youtube or variant.
Why ? If you think cops are racist white pigs who'll rape kill and slaughter at any given chance, why give them the opportunity in the first place.
Goddamn, how many times did i got out of a serious fine, because i was immediatly admitting my wrong and appologising when i was driving double the speed limit. Avoided a ticket two weeks ago for beeing parked on the street next to the nightshop with 4 indicators on cause to lazy to park it, getting verbally shafted by a police officer, who was frustrated and just wanted to give me a good fine. Nah, i let him shout at me, admitted it was wrong and appologised.
No ticket. Sometimes you just have to suck it up.
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Every person should be obedient to cops. I am. Saved me alot of money.
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Pretty sure that if i was going to be putting up attitude at the goddamn 700th time i get searched at the airport cause the plate in my leg set off their old as fuck detectors, that i would have gotten a cavity exam by now
A lot of youth in these urban communities have a massive chip on their shoulder and find it necessary to immediately pop an attitude with an officer when it isn't even necessary. As soon as you try to enforce the law they push back. See it all the time in DC.
Conversely, where I grew up in white trash areas around town you saw white youth doing and acting in the exact same way.
Moral: regardless of your color, mind your P's and Q's when dealing with law and the law will respond accordingly.
Conversely, where I grew up in white trash areas around town you saw white youth doing and acting in the exact same way.
Moral: regardless of your color, mind your P's and Q's when dealing with law and the law will respond accordingly.
