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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Look at you Andries. Looking at the world through a pair of glasses with lenses the size of dimes. Too important to take sass from a lowly American. I truly wish you could see how pompous that attitude seems at times.
You misunderstood. I am not ready to accept such an attitude from an American because of his history. Not because he would be a lowly American.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,014
That's impossible even if merely for geographical reasons. Grab a map and have a look at Europe. They're all different cultures. We can't afford to be as narrow minded as you are. Not to mention the fact that different languages make you think in different ways. It's hard to understand if you're not fluent in any foreign language, but if you are I'm sure you get what I mean.

As for Africa, I never said America was most to blame. But America's role in Rwanda was most likely bigger than Belgium's and America's role in Africa during the Cold War was an especially dirty one. Furthermore the United States have been the major suppliers of weapons in Africa ever since the late 1970's and have often made sure wars didn't stop too soon, so they could keep on delivering weapons.
Will you please stop judging people just on their nationality? This is one of the annoying things about you and thus why we provide you with enough jokes to get angry over.

Whatever way you look at it, America's foreign policy has been a disaster for well over 40 years and I think the subject wasn't well picked.
All of us here (except perhaps Vinni) agree. So what's the point in even stating that?

We get it. We have been a disaster probably ever since we helped Israel gain independence in 1961 or whatever it was.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,330
Will you please stop judging people just on their nationality? This is one of the annoying things about you and thus why we provide you with enough jokes to get angry over.



All of us here (except perhaps Vinni) agree. So what's the point in even stating that?

We get it. We have been a disaster probably ever since we helped Israel gain independence in 1961 or whatever it was.
Fine. How many foreign languages do you speak? Because obviously you speak five, regardless of the fact you're American. Let's face it, America isn't surrounded by other cultures the way any European country is.

If you didn't even get the point I won't bother explaining. Seriously, Andy, try following the discussion.
 
Apr 12, 2004
77,165
Fine. How many foreign languages do you speak? Because obviously you speak five, regardless of the fact you're American. Let's face it, America isn't surrounded by other cultures the way any European country is.

If you didn't even get the point I won't bother explaining. Seriously, Andy, try following the discussion.
Grasp of languages does not denote a depth of culture. It denotes a polyglot, and this person could be twice the assclown Republican that any person in the world is.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,330
Grasp of languages does not denote a depth of culture. It denotes a polyglot, and this person could be twice the assclown Republican that any person in the world is.
Think it through for a second Burke. I could explain it to you, but it would take too much time. Languages offer a different way of understanding. And apart from that you'll only truly understand Italian culture if you speak Italian. Otherwise it's just impossible.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,014
Fine. How many foreign languages do you speak? Because obviously you speak five, regardless of the fact you're American. Let's face it, America isn't surrounded by other cultures the way any European country is.

If you didn't even get the point I won't bother explaining. Seriously, Andy, try following the discussion.
Look, I respect you for knowing five languages while I might not even have a grasp of one. I think it's a useful skill that should be praised, yet not so much to the point of insanity because one could get by with knowing one language.

I just think you're looking too far into this discussion and being quite unfair. Some of the best businessmen in the world are American and only know English, so I don't know what you're even talking about.
 
Apr 12, 2004
77,165
Think it through for a second Burke. I could explain it to you, but it would take too much time. Languages offer a different way of understanding. And apart from that you'll only truly understand Italian culture if you speak Italian. Otherwise it's just impossible.
True, but any retard could learn to speak another language if they really wanted to. So the number of languages spoken does not denote culture. Although it may denote intelligence.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,330
Look, I respect you for knowing five languages while I might not even have a grasp of one. I think it's a useful skill that should be praised, yet not so much to the point of insanity because one could get by with knowing one language.

I just think you're looking too far into this discussion and being quite unfair. Some of the best businessmen in the world are American and only know English, so I don't know what you're even talking about.
It's not about knowing five. It's about having the decency to understand yours isn't the only one in the world. What is with English speaking people making fun of others who don't speak English?

I don't see Italians making fun of people who don't speak Italian. I don't see Belgians do it with people who don't speak Dutch or French...
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,014
True, but any retard could learn to speak another language if they really wanted to. So the number of languages spoken does not denote culture. Although it may denote intelligence.
Not necessarily though. Andries grew up in a place where different languages were spoken within a 50 km distance, so it's different. If you grow up learning different languages, even someone with a below par IQ would be capable of reaching bilingual status.
 
Apr 12, 2004
77,165
It's not about knowing five. It's about having the decency to understand yours isn't the only one in the world. What is with English speaking people making fun of others who don't speak English?

I don't see Italians making fun of people who don't speak Italian. I don't see Belgians do it with people who don't speak Dutch or French...
I don't do that, and when I was in Germany and the Netherlands I did speak German and tried Dutch, but they all spoke English anyway. So you are making a generalization.

What's terrible is that the English expect the Americans to speak English, the arrogant bastards.
 
Apr 12, 2004
77,165
Not necessarily though. Andries grew up in a place where different languages were spoken within a 50 km distance, so it's different. If you grow up learning different languages, even someone with a below par IQ would be capable of reaching bilingual status.
Right, but that's not what I am talking about at all. I'm talking about Americans speaking multiple languages.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,014
It's not about knowing five. It's about having the decency to understand yours isn't the only one in the world. What is with English speaking people making fun of others who don't speak English?

I don't see Italians making fun of people who don't speak Italian. I don't see Belgians do it with people who don't speak Dutch or French...
Only idiots make fun of people for not speaking the same language.

If you noticed, Greg and I bash people who love the Premiership all the time just because they can understand the commentators. We actually hate the folk who don't bother to bridge the gap between language and sport.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,014
Right, but that's not what I am talking about at all. I'm talking about Americans speaking multiple languages.
Well, anybody could learn any language they want if they have the will to do so.

Unlike Andries' situation in the heart of Europe, the necessity to learn another language is not in place here. That, along with general laziness and retarded Republican viewpoints, is why we don't need to learn another language.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,754
Only idiots make fun of people for not speaking the same language.

If you noticed, Greg and I bash people who love the Premiership all the time just because they can understand the commentators. We actually hate the folk who don't bother to bridge the gap between language and sport.
This point is entirely true. I would argue that my biggest beef with Americans who are avid fans of the EPL exclusively are such because they are hilariously shit-scared of any language other than English. And it revolts me.

I'm including announcers as well as fans in this assessment.

Meanwhile, it was also hilarious that the MSL's San Jose Earthquakes (OK, the original one) had local employer, Yahoo!, as a major sponsor ... but only Yahoo! en Español. :lol:
 

Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
75,661
It's the biggest reason why a lot of Europeans hate Americans, Burke. I'm not saying Italians are good at foreign languages (even though they usually speak either Spanish or French), but at least they don't expect everyone to speak Italian. They are willing to make an effort when travelling abroad. Americans in Europe however will talk English all the time. Oh, and yes, Europeans are laughing behind your back in the hotel.
Europe may dislike Americans because we don't speak multiple languages fluently. You know what I say to that "Boo fuckhing hoo". Americans don't normally speak more than one language other than english because, geographically speaking, we don't have to. On the American continent, south and north, two major languages are spoken, English and Spanish with a smattering of French and Portugese. Really in America the odds of coming into contact with someone who didn't speak english, until recently, is really low. And those of us who do speak a foreign language don't do it too well because we don't use it that often. Compared with Europe, which happens to be a hodgepodge of nationalities bundled into a medium expanse of land, the average American really doesn't have a need to speak a second language other than some OK spanish. If Europeans want to hold being born on a culturally non diverse continent against us, that's fine with me. :pado:

As for Americans not traveling all the time to countries that mainly speak other languages. I wonder why? Can anyone here tell poor Andries why Americans don't take weekly jonts to Italy to practice their Italian? Anyone? Ok you in the back, how 'bout it? :shifty:

[Person in the back] Well sir I believe aside from the geographic situation you've already touched upon coupled with the distance between Europe and North America and rising fuel cost plus the average cost of a transcontinental flight...

It's too damn expensive!:flag2:

Well done sir. You've hit the nail on the head. Now back to my point. :tup:

As I said before Europe is really diverse and therefore in order to be successful one must learn additional languages and learn them well. In North America, it's really not so much, so language isn't really the important for the everyday life of your Average American.

[Person in back] OH! OH! OH! *Raising hand, jumping in seat.:weee:

What is it?!? Spit it out.:(

[Person in back, probably the American version of Andries] What about the ever widening global community and the proverbial "flattening" of the world which forces everyone to interact with everyone whether they want to or not?:gsol:

Fuck you man. You had to ask that didn't you! :frown:

Well the truth is as the world becomes more of a village it is inevitable that the US and well as Canada and the dreaded Australia will indeed have to diversify their languages. And this will no doubt happen as the future progresses. The important part is for Europeans to remember this and be patient as the more diversity-impovershed parts of world try to catch up. They ought not hang out on their high horses because if they had the misfortune to be born in another part of the world, it might be them those Europeans were talking about in the hotel.

Hope that answers your question young man.:crazy:

Thanks big guy.:santa:
 

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