Seven against the world (37 Viewers)

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


What's to say? We ****ed up, took responsibility as a people, held marches to remember the victims, remember the whole thing every year again. Government fell back then, country was in chaos...

I won't deny any of it; if you want to talk about it to me, go ahead. Zlatan did on several occasions. I said it to him and I'll say it to you too: We, the Dutch, as a nation, horribly failed in the worst way imaginable on this earth.

Actually, I have nothing to say to you about it. It's not like Erik is at fault for that tragedy and it's not like Padovano was there to stop it. I just wanted to remind some Belgians that when they draft in certain support in their war on America that they should draft a nation with clean hands (as if any nation has clean hands).

 

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[JCK]

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[Tifoso]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


The Juventus-Real match of 1998 was the first European club match I ever saw...it has just stuck since then. At World Cup 94 I also liked the Azzurri and Roberto Baggio, along with the US, so it fell into place rather nicely.

Thank God I didn't like the winners Real, though.

I remember (and, no, it's not all that long ago ) when all we got was WC. It was on free TV, though. Of course, cable hadn't been invented yet. :embarass:

 

[The Pado]

Jeeks, your pic isn't loading. What is it, a giant sausage being cramed into a little hole?


EDIT: Nevermind, I see it now.

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
Actually, I have nothing to say to you about it. It's not like Erik is at fault for that

But I was. We all were. Maybe this is a strictly Dutch way of thinking but we, the people, voted our government in place. We, the people, are at fault. It was we, the Dutch people, who killed the people of Srebrenica. It was our responsibility and nobody elses.

 

[Rami]

Pado who is that in ur avatar??

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
Jeeks, your pic isn't loading. What is it, a giant sausage being cramed into a little hole?


EDIT: Nevermind, I see it now.

Would you like to see a giant sausage cramed into a little hole?

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


But I was. We all were. Maybe this is a strictly Dutch way of thinking but we, the people, voted our government in place. We, the people, are at fault. It was we, the Dutch people, who killed the people of Srebrenica. It was our responsibility and nobody elses.

I think it's pretty clear that's not the American way of thinking.

@Pado: This wasn't a war situation, so using the Dutch as an example was pretty fair. I don't intend on going on and on about this though. If the first post in this thread didn't answer enough questions, I don't care anymore.

@Jeeks: Got to love how you're a total schizo.

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


But I was. We all were. Maybe this is a strictly Dutch way of thinking but we, the people, voted our government in place. We, the people, are at fault. It was we, the Dutch people, who killed the people of Srebrenica. It was our responsibility and nobody elses.

You voted with a good conscience, confident that your chosen leaders would act in the best possible way. On election day, you could not have foreseen that your leaders would fail so miserably on such an important occassion. You should feel betrayed if anything. And let us not forget the Dutch who voted for the defeated opposition. They feel your same sorrow and probably resist going around with the "I told you so" attitude because they know it accomplishes nothing.

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++



@Jeeks: Got to love how you're a total schizo.

Says the one with a dual account

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++


Would you like to see a giant sausage cramed into a little hole?

Looking at one right now, Jeeky freaky. :excited:

 

[Tifoso]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++



Looking at one right now, Jeeky freaky. :excited:

a little hole?

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++



Looking at one right now, Jeeky freaky. :excited:

Do you know it is really fascinating how they make sausages?

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by Rami ] ++
Pado who is that in ur avatar??

He is Avo Uvezian. 79 year old Armenian, raised in Beirut and later Tehran. Moved to New York as a young man. Accomplished musician, graduate of the Julliard School. Creator of the Avo cigars, which are a personal favorite of mine, and is seen in my avatar admiring his tobacco in the Dominican Republic.

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++


Do you know it is really fascinating how they make sausages?

The less known about this process, the better.

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++


a little hole?

Sure. I'm laying supine on the floor, legs thrown over my shoulders, trying to perform the anatomically impossible. *gasp* *gasp* almost there.

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
You voted with a good conscience, confident that you chosen leaders would act in the best possible way. On election day, you could not have foreseen that your leaders would fail so miserably on such an important occassion. You should feel betrayed if anything. And let us not forget the Dutch who voted for the defeated opposition. They feel your same sorrow and probably resist going around with the "I told you so" attitude because they know it accomplishes nothing.

I think we just struck a vital cultural difference here... Here's what a Dutchman would say (well those who remember Srebrenica clear enough. I don't think too many Dutch members here do :undecide: )

We live in a democratic Kingdom. The head of state (Queen Beatrix) has voluntarily given up her rights to rule the nation and has given us, the people, a chance to do it ourselves. Because 16 million people cannot vote on every issue, we have a parliament representing us.

And there lies the vital issue. The Parliament (including most opposition) voted yes to joining the peace keeping forces. The Parliament represents the people. The Parliament IS the people, effectively.

It's written in our constitution that the people bare the responsibilities of the parliament, that they are intertwined.

It was us. None other.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


I think we just struck a vital cultural difference here... Here's what a Dutchman would say (well those who remember Srebrenica clear enough. I don't think too many Dutch members here do :undecide: )

We live in a democratic Kingdom. The head of state (Queen Beatrix) has voluntarily given up her rights to rule the nation and has given us, the people, a chance to do it ourselves. Because 16 million people cannot vote on every issue, we have a parliament representing us.

And there lies the vital issue. The Parliament (including most opposition) voted yes to joining the peace keeping forces. The Parliament represents the people. The Parliament IS the people, effectively.

It's written in our constitution that the people bare the responsibilities of the parliament, that they are intertwined.

It was us. None other.

I pretty much think the same, although there's a difference with America. Bush didn't even have the majority of votes in 2000 and can therefore hardly be called a representative of the people. I have my doubts about America's system though and in the end they are responsible for the fact they still have it so a big chunk of the responsability still goes to them.

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


I think it's pretty clear that's not the American way of thinking.

PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHY THE WORLD CONSIDERS YOU AN OBNOXIOUS PRICK. YOU TAKE A SINGLE STATEMENT UTTERED BY ME AND ATRRIBUTE IT TO A COUNTRY OF NEARLY 300 MILLION PEOPLE.

God, you are such an obnoxious loser. Get yourself a pocket p*ssy, lock the door and come out when your 30 years old.

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


I pretty much think the same, although there's a difference with America. Bush didn't even have the majority of votes in 2000 and can therefore hardly be called a representative of the people. I have my doubts about America's system though and in the end they are responsible for the fact they still have it so a big chunk of the responsability still goes to them.

A second ago you were Centro posting in the Rami thread