Serie B: Cesena vs Juventus [05-06-2007] (6 Viewers)
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Look, mate...
Did he have 4 healthy midfielders to play 4-4-2??
Birindelli was played as a RB because DD was resting Balza as the only guy who can support the midfield if he needed him during the match. Hence, why he rested him when the match started...
About the choosing of the strikers. May I remind you that most of the members here were praising DD last week when Zalayeta scored 2 goals. We didn't hear any critic why he played him that match! Do you know why? Because once the striker scores, then he's the best player and nobody says a word about him, but when he doesn't score but support other stikers, then he is so bad according to your logic...
About my own opinion, I would have played Palla, but do I have the whole picture about who's ready and who is not from all the Juve strikers?? Of course, not. Maybe he had something that we didn't hear about, and DD prefered to play with the most guaranteed players.
Balza didn't come in to make the defenders 5 while we play with 2 midfielders. I didn't watch the match, but I imagine that one of the defenders went ahead when Marchionni was replaced. Remember again DD had no alternative midfielder.
In the end, I don't defend DD just because he's DD. but I think the guy has done a good job until now, and he deserves at least not to be insulted in a Juve forum.
Did he have 4 healthy midfielders to play 4-4-2??
Birindelli was played as a RB because DD was resting Balza as the only guy who can support the midfield if he needed him during the match. Hence, why he rested him when the match started...
About the choosing of the strikers. May I remind you that most of the members here were praising DD last week when Zalayeta scored 2 goals. We didn't hear any critic why he played him that match! Do you know why? Because once the striker scores, then he's the best player and nobody says a word about him, but when he doesn't score but support other stikers, then he is so bad according to your logic...
About my own opinion, I would have played Palla, but do I have the whole picture about who's ready and who is not from all the Juve strikers?? Of course, not. Maybe he had something that we didn't hear about, and DD prefered to play with the most guaranteed players.
Balza didn't come in to make the defenders 5 while we play with 2 midfielders. I didn't watch the match, but I imagine that one of the defenders went ahead when Marchionni was replaced. Remember again DD had no alternative midfielder.
In the end, I don't defend DD just because he's DD. but I think the guy has done a good job until now, and he deserves at least not to be insulted in a Juve forum.
Bingo
anyway i gave Zala credit in the last match but i didn't think he had that great game i was quite critical of him. This game was the same and he was played out of position.
Marchisio shouldn't have played in that holding position, Bianco or Venitucci should've been there. To give the former more freedom to create and thats where he excels.
anyway i gave Zala credit in the last match but i didn't think he had that great game i was quite critical of him. This game was the same and he was played out of position.
Marchisio shouldn't have played in that holding position, Bianco or Venitucci should've been there. To give the former more freedom to create and thats where he excels.
looooooooool ur so stupid, palladino is not even 100% so why play him from the start if he isnt gona finish with no replacement and besides that formation is a 8 man attack including balzaretti and chiellini, that formation is suicide, like i said marchisio is not one that sits in front of the defence and cleans up the mess like zanetti for example marchisio is one that likes to push forward alot and expose his position.
So what should we do if everybody is against us , move to another country/league, we're Juventus , the best team in Italy , so everybody who doesn't love us , hate our guts, this has been the case forever. So, nothing new IMO.
Maybe we need new medical team ?
Maybe we need new medical team ?
first off i'm not compaining about his use of zala, im complaining about his use of 2 out and out strikers in a 4-3-3 system, which lacks width you need 1 CF and two forwards willing to get down the wings and track back, apparently he worked his socks off and respect to the guy, that doesnt change his charechteristics, he still isnt as able in tht role as palla or boji.
im sure he didnt and your point doesnt change the fact we had 5 defenders and 2 midfielders on the pitch, but why bring one of your only natural midfielders off? even then boji could have come on, he has played down the right before and hes done a good job, biri should have been replaced by balza then palla should have replaced the forward who was playing the worst and gone down the left.
i apreciate tht the midfield was decimated, which again makes me question why no one was brought in in january but we cant hide behind excuses as we could still have fielded a good team even under these circumstances, the bench however would not have been very strong.
why are you talking about DD as if hes a legend? everyone deserves to be criticised and DD is no exeption, im not INSULTING him as when ever i call him names i am just venting my frustrations which i am more than entitled to do, the same goes for everyone else
im sure he didnt and your point doesnt change the fact we had 5 defenders and 2 midfielders on the pitch, but why bring one of your only natural midfielders off? even then boji could have come on, he has played down the right before and hes done a good job, biri should have been replaced by balza then palla should have replaced the forward who was playing the worst and gone down the left.
i apreciate tht the midfield was decimated, which again makes me question why no one was brought in in january but we cant hide behind excuses as we could still have fielded a good team even under these circumstances, the bench however would not have been very strong.
why are you talking about DD as if hes a legend? everyone deserves to be criticised and DD is no exeption, im not INSULTING him as when ever i call him names i am just venting my frustrations which i am more than entitled to do, the same goes for everyone else
buffon
biri legro boum chiellini
marchionni marchisio nedved
del piero trezeguet zalayeta
and this is an UNFAMILIAR 8 man attack
as you said marchisio is not a destroyer so he needs help in the middle, instead he occupied the middle on his own, vinmans formation, which is the best we could have played yesterday would have given him support and the players would be in familiar positions, so thank you for making a point for the people you are disagreeing with
biri legro boum chiellini
marchionni marchisio nedved
del piero trezeguet zalayeta
and this is an UNFAMILIAR 8 man attack
as you said marchisio is not a destroyer so he needs help in the middle, instead he occupied the middle on his own, vinmans formation, which is the best we could have played yesterday would have given him support and the players would be in familiar positions, so thank you for making a point for the people you are disagreeing with
RIGHT! ive f*cking had it with the slating of didi, quite frankly hes the best thing thats happened to juve since sacking ancelotti we're top of the table yet you moan, we drop a few points cuz of a injury hit squad and yet u slate him, im sick of all this 'lippi wud of done this better' or 'lippi wud of played this formation' F*CKING GET OVER HIM! cuz even if i had to choose between lippi or didi now, id stick by the current manager, i think what he has done cudnt of been done better, obviously some of u football manager addicts think otherwise, injury crisis are real, not save game and start it again and win it, and quite frankly id rather play milan 7 times in 1 week than albinoleffe once in one week, the psychology involved with these serie B teams is different, these teams in serie B are out to achieve damage limitation where by all 11 players play behind the ball and make it harder for us, unlike a team of milan's quality these serie B teams have that extra 110% to try and beat us, simply cuz we r juve. so m_elayyan please shut up and worry about rijkaard, and ill keep cheering on didi till the end. some of you need to think about where your loyalty lies with our manager who has wiped out our penalty point deduction, taken us top, developed some promising talent, and is only a few points away from the promise land and yet you guys still moan as if serie B shud be a walk over, some of u need to start to wake up and smell the reality, when we reach serie A it will be a totally different ball game and didi will finally shut u all up.
Didier is no worse than Rijkaard, they just have different resources. Lets see how great Rijkaard would have been motivating players who were world champions a month or so before that they have to play in Serie B with a 9 point penalty. we might have a superior team but our players needed a lot of motivation to play well and to show their skills. Also we had many injuries this year in defence and in midfield which are the most important positions in a physical league like Serie B
It's not that black and white, Mike. No pun intended there by the way !!
DD certainly takes his share of the blame for any shortfall in the Juventus quality of football, whether it is because of tactical or formation errors, lack of motivation, poor substitutions and so on. No one will deny that.
The difficulty is in determining the culpability of the players who might or might not be carrying out their instructions/responsibilties prooperly (marking/quality of passing/tracking back/finding space/making intelligent runs/shooting accuracy and so on).
Having been a football spectator for fifty years, I think I've now seen enough to realize that perhaps the one equation in football that has a much more powerful influence than any other is the manager/coach appointment. It is crucial.
Take Roy Keane at Sunderland. You knew, instinctively and intuitively, that he would be a complete success from day one when he took up the appointment at the Stadium of Light last year. Because he is a winner, you just know that he will be successful in helping to preserve the Premiership status at the club next season without any shadow of doubt. Indeed, I will predict that Sunderland will qualify for European football by the end of next season.
Does DD inspire you in the same way? Probably not.
Nevertheless, we have to look at the Juventus circumstances and accept that he inherited a terrible problem in the loss of eight experienced international players. He had to work with an unstable personnel against an uncertain financial background. Motivating Buffon, Trezeguet, Nedved and Camoranesi to play over 40 Serie B matches over 9 months must have taken an enormous physical and emotional strain whilst having to overcome the uncertainties of the ultimate points deduction and so on.
More recently, with the position much altered, esp. the financial picture seemingly much brighter and the club sitting on top of the league, you would expect us to win virtually every match, and rightly so as we have much superior players. Every now and again, we come unstuck at Mantova, Brescia and the like beacuse in addition to the Juventus match being their greatest match for , in some cases, decades (though not Brescia obviously) , they sometimes play with a tactical sharpness that will surprise even the best football brains. These things happen.
History tells you this.
The next two player acquisitions will be the most important announcments that the club will make for a long time and will have enormous medium term consequences on player morale, future qualification for the Champions League and more importantly an immediate sense of belief that we intend to be the pre-eminent club in Italy over the next decade.
All that said, I have a feeling that Didier Deschamps will be unhappy at the continued speculation about his mangerial effectiveness. The complaints seeming to be growing in number and I have a sneaking feeling that, born out of his bitter disappointment to the reaction to the relative success achieved this season, he might well be tewmpted to take flight to Olympic Lyonnais or Chelsea or the like sooner rather than later.
DD certainly takes his share of the blame for any shortfall in the Juventus quality of football, whether it is because of tactical or formation errors, lack of motivation, poor substitutions and so on. No one will deny that.
The difficulty is in determining the culpability of the players who might or might not be carrying out their instructions/responsibilties prooperly (marking/quality of passing/tracking back/finding space/making intelligent runs/shooting accuracy and so on).
Having been a football spectator for fifty years, I think I've now seen enough to realize that perhaps the one equation in football that has a much more powerful influence than any other is the manager/coach appointment. It is crucial.
Take Roy Keane at Sunderland. You knew, instinctively and intuitively, that he would be a complete success from day one when he took up the appointment at the Stadium of Light last year. Because he is a winner, you just know that he will be successful in helping to preserve the Premiership status at the club next season without any shadow of doubt. Indeed, I will predict that Sunderland will qualify for European football by the end of next season.
Does DD inspire you in the same way? Probably not.
Nevertheless, we have to look at the Juventus circumstances and accept that he inherited a terrible problem in the loss of eight experienced international players. He had to work with an unstable personnel against an uncertain financial background. Motivating Buffon, Trezeguet, Nedved and Camoranesi to play over 40 Serie B matches over 9 months must have taken an enormous physical and emotional strain whilst having to overcome the uncertainties of the ultimate points deduction and so on.
More recently, with the position much altered, esp. the financial picture seemingly much brighter and the club sitting on top of the league, you would expect us to win virtually every match, and rightly so as we have much superior players. Every now and again, we come unstuck at Mantova, Brescia and the like beacuse in addition to the Juventus match being their greatest match for , in some cases, decades (though not Brescia obviously) , they sometimes play with a tactical sharpness that will surprise even the best football brains. These things happen.
History tells you this.
The next two player acquisitions will be the most important announcments that the club will make for a long time and will have enormous medium term consequences on player morale, future qualification for the Champions League and more importantly an immediate sense of belief that we intend to be the pre-eminent club in Italy over the next decade.
All that said, I have a feeling that Didier Deschamps will be unhappy at the continued speculation about his mangerial effectiveness. The complaints seeming to be growing in number and I have a sneaking feeling that, born out of his bitter disappointment to the reaction to the relative success achieved this season, he might well be tewmpted to take flight to Olympic Lyonnais or Chelsea or the like sooner rather than later.
are u actually being serious with that comment??
are you being serious with THAT comment?????
.... as above..... i'm sure man united would have rather played albinoleffe than milan, but hey maybe fergie doesnt understand the difficulty of albinoleffe
the players have done this, i have yet to see the MANAGER actually change a game with his decisions
well if he's still our manager i hope he does shut us up, but i want whats best for the team and i dont think he is the right choice, so thanks for what you've done but come back in 20 years if youve actually had anymore success
are you being serious with THAT comment?????
.... as above..... i'm sure man united would have rather played albinoleffe than milan, but hey maybe fergie doesnt understand the difficulty of albinoleffe
the players have done this, i have yet to see the MANAGER actually change a game with his decisions
well if he's still our manager i hope he does shut us up, but i want whats best for the team and i dont think he is the right choice, so thanks for what you've done but come back in 20 years if youve actually had anymore success
please, biri is rubbish
ok.... but i wont be cheering him like a saviour for doing what i expected him to do, im not fickle like some people, if i dont like someone then i dont like them im not one to change my opinion in the blink of an eye as you can see of my comments on DD since christmas when he proved to me that he doesnt have what it takes. and in my eyes, if we are promoted all my praise will be directed at the players
ok.... but i wont be cheering him like a saviour for doing what i expected him to do, im not fickle like some people, if i dont like someone then i dont like them im not one to change my opinion in the blink of an eye as you can see of my comments on DD since christmas when he proved to me that he doesnt have what it takes. and in my eyes, if we are promoted all my praise will be directed at the players