Serie A: Roma vs Juventus [September 23 2007] (8 Viewers)

[x-japan]

Criscito absolutely need that

 

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[d.nico]

For me it was a foul by totti. but surely criscito need to build his muscle. maybe canna will help him out

 

[Maher]

totally agree with vinman rating
it was a good result for juve but with ana average performance , iaquinta had a good game with assist for trez and scoring at the end , dp should have scored from pk , our defence is weak , thank god we got with a draw at the end.

 

[olbap_juventino]

a draw with roma was a very good result, considering that they are playing very very well... At least we dont draw with livorno like inter , and yes i agree, it wasnt DP day but im pretty sure that hes gonna make a very good performance in the following games because he can, he still being pure class.. damn that penalty kick!!!!! but if you look at the situation, maybe if dp scored the pk, roma would attack much more and maybe score more goals lol.. anyway , it was a good result, congratulations iaquinta! iaquinta has a nice spirit, maybe he would become a real juventino... trezeguet just 1 touch, 1 goal, and palladino looked very good the time he was on the pitch.. thanks SAINT GIGI BUFFON!! it wasnt nedved's day... well, a good result considering lots of injurys .. Forza Andrade! damn that was bad luck!

Forza Juventus !

 

[Albertmare]

This just in from TribalFootball.. apparently

New Training regime for Criscito

After several disappointing performances in the Juve shirt, Domenico Criscito has been ordered to strictly adhere to what is believed to be a revolutional new training programme consisting of meat eating, beer drinking and hardcore gym sessions.

Mr Raineri, the man in charge of the programme describes it as “a way to put some hair on his chest” of the next great Italian defender believed to be Fabio Cannavaro’s heir. The extensive regime consists of

Breakfest – 3 T-Bone steaks + 6pk of beer
Brunch – 2 hour gym session followed by 6 protein shakes combined with doses of creatine
Lunch - watch the Arnold Schwarzenegger DVD “pumping iron” followed by a 3 large meals of steak, chicken and fish
Afternoon: Another extensive workout followed by 15 egg sandwiches
Tea – Yet another large meal consisting of Pork Rib cutlets and a 6pk of Heineken beer
Bedtime – 3 protein shakes with a goodnight steak

Poor Criscito , Imagine if we have to do this all

 

[swag]

I dont know why people are bashing at Criscito..sure,it was his mistake that led to the goal,but i thought Andrade could've helped more..And come on,it was Totti,a Roman legend,whether you like Totti or not,he has been in great form..I think if that was some other defender,I think Totti would still get the better of that defender..Give Criscito a chance,it was his first BIG match in Serie A...The guy can only improve,and i hope Ranieri wont stop giving him chances to shine..

Forza Criscito!!

Pound for pound, Boumsong pulled lapses and blunders like these and people were out to crucify him. For some reason Criscito becomes the guy to blame for most of our defensive blunders that lead to goals this year, but instead he gets a "Why are you bashing him? He will shine! Forza Criscito!" :confused2

Personally, while I wouldn't send the guy to Siberia, he's sick and broken. He's what we've got, and I'll cheer for him. But it's like having to rely on Boumsong all over again with Criscito.

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my ratings-

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Scary, Vinman. Other than Ranieri, your ratings were nearly identical to mine. (http://www.juventuz.com/2007/09/23/roma-juventus-match-analysis/#comment-9)

Then, at the end, one man decided to show some heart. Iaquinta (whom I referred to as "Waste of Space")
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Forza Waste of Space!

And it was good to see DP come off knowing that he wasn't able to put his best out there -- time to make way for someone else to make a difference and without checking out of the game himself.

 

[giovanotti]

I think that Criscito is better as FB and Chiellini needs to play as central defender.

 

[V]

Pound for pound, Boumsong pulled lapses and blunders like these and people were out to crucify him. For some reason Criscito becomes the guy to blame for most of our defensive blunders that lead to goals this year, but instead he gets a "Why are you bashing him? He will shine! Forza Criscito!" :confused2

Personally, while I wouldn't send the guy to Siberia, he's sick and broken. He's what we've got, and I'll cheer for him. But it's like having to rely on Boumsong all over again with Criscito.

I completelly agree swag, I don't know why people are getting so worked up over Criscito getting criticism. Being young and inexperienced is not an excuse, at least it can't be for a central defender which is probably the most delicate position on the football pitch.

 

[denco]

I am trying my very best to look at the positives here- we stole a draw where we could have very well lost by 2 or 3 goals.

Roma looked the better side throughout, as we seemed to struggle to keep pace with the Giallorossi. I think I was about as shocked as the Roma players when Trez scored, it was a nice buildup started with DP, for his only positive play of the day.

Just when everyone got excited that we may actually have a chance to win this game, Totti brought us all down to reality, as he slammed a weak and ineffective Criscito to the floor, and slotted home the equalizer.

From that point on, I thought we were on the ropes for most of the game. We never looked like scoring again, and Roma kept attacking in waves...luckily, most of their shots were pretty ineffective. Our defense was pretty comedic in the first half, and that will be our biggest problem this season...made even more so with Andrade getting injured. Roma did a good job of spreading the field, and controlling the game.

We were pretty fortunate that Iaquinta was able to notch up the equalizer, as it was an unbelieveable play..otherwise this post would have a lot more venom :eyebrows:

my ratings-


Buffon - 7 - He had a very solid game, I was starting to wonder if he regretted his decision to stay, after being left hung to dry on both goals.

Grygera - 6.5 - Our best defender on the field today. He was solid throughout, and showed some good ability

Andrade - 5.5 - he isnt fast enough back there. Biggest mistake was playing referee, raising his hand for the foul, instead of attempting to chase down Totti on the first goal

Criscito - 4.5 - Second game this season that he's had to be subbed out for poor performance. This guy aint ready for the big time, and we have no time for on the job training. He's lacking strength and skill...loan him out to Siena in January, and bring in some REAL defenders

Chiellini - 6 - A solid, mistake-free game, and had the assist on the tying goal

Nedved - 5 - Super disappointing game from Pavel today. He was painfully ineffective, and looks like he's lost a few steps. I wish we could blame the tactics

Zanetti - 6.5 - Always solid in our middle, he was the best nidfielder today. He wont be giving up a starting spot for Tiago or Almiron

Nocerino - 5.5 - When he's in the middle playing ala Gattuso, he does well...but when he gets to the outside and tries to cross like a winger, he looks more like a ball-boy

Iaquinta - 8 - MOM. He had a nice assist on the first goal, and was all over the damn field, trying to make things happen... some of our other players should follow his lead. Slick header for the equalizer. He could be the short term answer to Camo on the right side, because unlike Nocerino, Iaquinta can cross a bit

Del Piero - 5 - Anyone can have a penalty saved, but to completely miss the net is inexcusable !! Had one decent pass the entire game, and did nothing else positive

Trezeguet - 6.5 - Beautiful finish on the first goal. Wasnt given enough service, seeing as though Roma was doing all the attacking

Subs:

Legrottaglie - 6 -made one mistake on the coverage of a corner, but was solid the rest of the game

Birindelli - 6 - lucky for us, no mistakes

Palladino - 6 - was more of an impact player that DP...we'll see if he get the start against Reggina

Coach:

Ranieri - 5 - some may thing Ranieri's tactics and formations were correct, but we nearly lost the damn game, and were completely outplayed for 90 minutes. 4th place ?? Not likely

Juve management- 0- Sucko and company should have seen the defensive problems before the season even started, and with Andrade's injury, we are in some serious trouble. Did these fools actually believe this defense would hold up with the personnel we have ?? I wont mention the money completely wasted in the midfield either....

The worst thing to have come out of this is the result. Now you have Ranieri praising Juve's spirit and Trez saying this proves that we can challenge for the scudetto

Christ almighty what land are they living? We were horrendous and the frightening thing as far as aI am concerned was that it was not a bad day at the office, those guys cannot actually play better than that.

There was a moment in which Perrotta, ran through our midfield witht he ball, went past a defender and they were about 6 of our players just watching him, this is Perrotta we are talking about but of course he did not know what to do , so he just checked back.

The ease in which the likes of De Rossi and Aquilani were ghost past our midfield must be a seriuos cause for concern.

We could not cope at all and it is not as if the equaliser came from us hanging on and being resilient, it came from a throw in awarded to us because Mexes or was it Cicinho was messing about

Roma were actually toying with us, generally taking the piss and the thing is we could not do a thing about it. It was just more than their capabilities

Ranieri did well withthe 4-3-3, the only problem was with the personnel

I do not care what anyone says, at the top level you cannot have Trezeguet, Del Piero and Nedved in the same team as they offer nothing defensively and apart from Trez' goal poaching do not offer that much going forward at speed.

Palladino Iaquinta and Trez may be a better trident with Iaquinta and Palladino helping out in the midfield

This is the worst squad we have had in many a year and anything they achieve to me would be a bonus

I cannot criticise them because they are simply not good enough at the highest level and it would be unfair if we continually criticised them when they lose cos belive me we are gonna lose a lot of games this season.

If they get into Cl place it would be a minor miracle or serieA is really shite because these bunch of players from what they have shown so far are a top 10 side at best

It may sound harsh but I am speaking with my head and not my heart

Whatever happens it is not because Ranieri is a bad manager or anything and if he achieves a good position for us with these guys, then his stock would surely rise in my eyes

 

[Red]

This just in from TribalFootball.. apparently

New Training regime for Criscito

After several disappointing performances in the Juve shirt, Domenico Criscito has been ordered to strictly adhere to what is believed to be a revolutional new training programme consisting of meat eating, beer drinking and hardcore gym sessions.

Mr Raineri, the man in charge of the programme describes it as “a way to put some hair on his chest” of the next great Italian defender believed to be Fabio Cannavaro’s heir. The extensive regime consists of

Breakfest – 3 T-Bone steaks + 6pk of beer
Brunch – 2 hour gym session followed by 6 protein shakes combined with doses of creatine
Lunch - watch the Arnold Schwarzenegger DVD “pumping iron” followed by a 3 large meals of steak, chicken and fish
Afternoon: Another extensive workout followed by 15 egg sandwiches
Tea – Yet another large meal consisting of Pork Rib cutlets and a 6pk of Heineken beer
Bedtime – 3 protein shakes with a goodnight steak

Take away the exercise, and that is my training regime.

 

[sateeh]

Well i will just some points that came to my mind as i was reading through the comments and reports.

-Buffon: we really underestimate what he has been doing to this team since last year with the crap defending.Save after save and i didnt see him frustrated like that for a long time and now we see it.

Cristicio- Well another game that he didn't play well.I was always hoping that a mentor would be brought in to offload the experience to him as he lacks a lot of that.Youngesters shouldn't be just thrown into the fire and be asked to show up on the big stage and just remember that this kid didn't play serie A before this season. I say bench him and put legro there as at least we would have something to look for in the future instead of wasting his talent and underperforming.

Zanetti-I always saw him as a very good player and he just proves that game after game.Nocerino could learn a lot from him.

Ranieri- Well i can't understand how someone who had such a good gameplan and formation from the beginning then go on in Half time and makes a substitution that showed his lack of planning and ad hoc decisions without sticking to his original decisions. I mean if you're going to throw in cristicio from the beginning then why take him of in half time just to destroy his confidence.We all know he wasn't having the best of time, so either give him the full chance or don't put in the starting eleven. This is a defender we are talking about here.

Then putting biri there when brazzo could've/should've been there is another one that mystifies me. Thank god the romans were already tired.

Neddy shouldn't have been restricted in that fashion. I'm not sure whether he didn't have the energy but he didn't cut inside the middle once in the game.And i only think that they were instructions from CR to help chiellini.

To his credit he knew what he wanted from the game and got a formation with system that got him that although with the help of a bit luck.

Pound for pound, Boumsong pulled lapses and blunders like these and people were out to crucify him. For some reason Criscito becomes the guy to blame for most of our defensive blunders that lead to goals this year, but instead he gets a "Why are you bashing him? He will shine! Forza Criscito!" :confused2

Spot on

 

[Red]

I was also puzzled that Biri was prefered to Sali as the sub.

I can only assume it is because Sali wasn't match fit, but then he shouldn't have been on the bench if he wasn't fit, so it doesn't make sense.

That said Biri has done well in the last couple of games, so maybe I will stop dreading him starting games.

 

[da_ledgeaun]

Pound for pound, Boumsong pulled lapses and blunders like these and people were out to crucify him. For some reason Criscito becomes the guy to blame for most of our defensive blunders that lead to goals this year, but instead he gets a "Why are you bashing him? He will shine! Forza Criscito!" :confused2

Personally, while I wouldn't send the guy to Siberia, he's sick and broken. He's what we've got, and I'll cheer for him. But it's like having to rely on Boumsong all over again with Criscito.

Now Boumsong was never solid when he was in Newcastle and "blunder" was probably his middle name,but then Juve still got him,why did we get a 26 year old blunder boy for nearly 5 million Euros,i have no idea..Criscito on the other hand was very solid playing for Genoa,was able to score goals as well..
I agree with Criscito needing to hit the gyms,sure..but IMO he has incredible talent for a central defender..And come on,Boumsong had enough time to show how good he really is,I for one has never been impressed,but i also dont come in and bash the guy...

 

[Azzurri7]

LMAO wat a joke, wat kills team more when u miss a penalty and a couple 100 percent chances a game or benching DP? he needs that capello treatment right now, he is our worst forward so far this season

So we should bench Del Piero because he lost a penalty? how old are you?

and what chances are you talking about, he had one volley, was saved in a brilliant way from Doni. What chances are you talking about?

For the million times, he's not inform yet, but isn't normal a player not to be inform? specially after all this media and press crap? not to mention his contract.

Get off his balls ffs, and leave the man alone.

Anyway Criscito's partner in crime, Andrade hasn't really done much better so far. Tough luck to Andrade, as I wouldn't wish such an injury on anyone, but to be honest I don't think we'll miss him much; he hasn't really left an impression on me.

Andrade has been much more solid and has been performing better...way better to say the least.

Criscito against Cagliari and Criscito against Roma is enough for us to understand that he's not capable, maybe later, I'd love to see him improving as it would be fantastic for us, but he's just not up to it.

He isn't expert when it comes to "getting off the offside line"

marking man on man

in the air he's horrible

Legro is a better option than Criscito.

And it was good to see DP come off knowing that he wasn't able to put his best out there -- time to make way for someone else to make a difference and without checking out of the game himself.

Yes, Ranieri did a good job subs Del Piero for Palladino, his tactics and formation were all good, though I think Sali should have entered last 10min for Nocerino. but anyway, I'm glad with everything Ranieri has done.

 

[Dinsdale]

Whatever happens it is not because Ranieri is a bad manager or anything and if he achieves a good position for us with these guys, then his stock would surely rise in my eyes

Very true, it's easy to blame the manager when the players are not performing good enough. I think Ranieri is bringing the best that is possible out of this team.

 

[Azzurri7]

The worst thing to have come out of this is the result. Now you have Ranieri praising Juve's spirit and Trez saying this proves that we can challenge for the scudetto

Christ almighty what land are they living? We were horrendous and the frightening thing as far as aI am concerned was that it was not a bad day at the office, those guys cannot actually play better than that.

Considering the injuries and the atmosphere before the game, Ranieri has all the rights to praise team's spirit denco.

About Trezeguet's words towards Scudetto, well, what i can tell is that no one beside Roma are playing some good football so far, neither milan or inter or even Fiorentina.

Roma well have their bad times, just like any team, I think the title race can be in favor of anyone this season. As Serie A is getting tougher and you can expect anything.

There was a moment in which Perrotta, ran through our midfield witht he ball, went past a defender and they were about 6 of our players just watching him, this is Perrotta we are talking about but of course he did not know what to do , so he just checked back.

The ease in which the likes of De Rossi and Aquilani were ghost past our midfield must be a seriuos cause for concern.

We could not cope at all and it is not as if the equaliser came from us hanging on and being resilient, it came from a throw in awarded to us because Mexes or was it Cicinho was messing about

Like you never knew or thought this would happen after reading our 1st 11? Ranieri had too much courage and I appluad him for that, he didn't had too many options, and fielding 3midfielders in which 2 of these 3 do enjoy attacking (Nedved and Nocerino) and to resist in such a way, don't tell me they don't deserve to be appluaded.

Palladino Iaquinta and Trez may be a better trident with Iaquinta and Palladino helping out in the midfield

Palladino isn't exactly like Iaquinta can get back to midfield and run with the ball, I'd rather see him getting his chances upfront than being a midfielder or playing the position Del Piero played yesterday. Wouldn't be smart at all IMO.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Draw against Roma at Olimpico is a good result that's for sure.... but "super-positive result" according To CR makes me feel like if we are Catania.

 

[Zé Tahir]

No, Roma owned us.

They didn't own us for shit.

 

[Red]

They didn't own us for shit.

They were the better team, but I wouldn't go as far as to sy they owned us.

 

[lil zlatan]

Player ratings.

Juventus: Buffon 7,33 - Grygerá 6,00, Andrade 5,33 (53' Birindelli 6,00), Criscito 4,67 (46' Legrottaglie 6,00), Chiellini 6,17 - Nocerino 6,00, C. Zanetti 6,50, Nedved 5,50 - Del Piero 5,33 (74' Palladino 6,00) - Trezeguet 6,50, Iaquinta 7,83. - Tr: Ranieri 7,17.

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