[Serie A] Palermo - Juventus (2 Viewers)

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
++ [ originally posted by Gandalf ] ++


do you remember last year..?? we had the same problems that you mentioned.. plus the problems that I've mentioned.. but, with two different coaches..!!! save the new ones emerson, zlatan, blasi.. etc.
don't you think it's the players' mentality that have something wrong..?? not the coaches...??!!!

the players themselves need to develop and improve... see how gattuso improved.. when he first came to serie everybody was laughing at him.. but, see him now.. one of the best DM in the world..

let's see who we got..
-DP: the same old one.. his problem is a psycological one.. couldn't get over it yet.. and he's the captain..!!! (overall, didn't improve..)
-trez: as most people said.. he cannot create his own chances, but he's dangerous in the box.. (overall, didn't improve..)
-zlatan: first year, no comment.. except that he's a selfish show-off bastard..
-Nedved.. seems that's his age finally cought up with him (overall, didn't improve..)
-camoranesi.. he improved a little in not argueing with the refs.. but still.. one good game.. ten bad games afterwards.. (overall, didn't improve..)
-emerson: first season.. but a beast in the midfeild..
-blasi: same, at a lower level sometimes..
-zebina: his start was good.. but, it seems that we end up with the old zebina of roma..
-zambrotta: I don't know what's wrong with this man.. he is more inconsistant than last years.. (but, overall, didn't improve..)
-thuram: great as a CB.. but he's getting old.. (still, didn't improve..)
-cannavaro: the same old tough one..
-buffon: had some slips.. but still tough enough to guard our back...


my point is:

WE NEED A REVOLUTION...!! in terms of how we play...


I agree 100% that we need a revolution, imo the revolution was needed before this summer.
But its impossible to change the whole roster in a year, so we did changed the half and we did changed the coach too!

Why? Why the managers have seen the need to change not only the players but the coach too?

Because last year we had a general crisis, the problem last year and right now as u said didnt concerned only one player, but a great percentage of the team,
that definately means its not a personal problem,
its impossible for all the players to naturally loose their form exactly at the same time,
its smth bigger,
smth that effects the hole team.
=The head of the team.

I remember last year juve was told campioni d'Italia they werent hungry for another title,
the team(defence) couldnt survive the loss of davids,
the pressure was too high, we werent able to win a great team because of the material and mentality maby,
but this year there have been some inhangementand-investiment, not in the large scale we wanted(and needed) but good enough for juve standarts,
the effect considering the groth of the team isnt what i expected.
The biggest change sould be the coach, a non italian, more agressive coach like deshamp would be great, to give us the power to accelerate, but we have performed only a "facelift"

Has palermo and sampdoria better material than juve?
do they have better conditions, motivation, salary, changes for great things and titles like juve has?

What they have?
tactical superiority, a litle more agressive mentality, ambition and balance.
This is what we need too, who else
other than the coach may offer this now?
 

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
4,679
I still maintain Olivera is an average player and i have seen nothing to make me change my mind yet. Moggi was the one who said he was the best young player in the world and i have seen a lot of people put down Rooney on here but to me they are like chalk and cheese in terms of ability.

Yes Zlatan played well when he came on against Sampdoria but he did not score unlike Sheva last night and all this lavish praise of the guy is uncalled for. He has done well and thats the end of it.

Capello has had the luxury of a very sound defence, an addition of a class player like Emerson, a much improved Nedved from last season, a consistent Camoranesiand we still play absolutely awful football but somehow he is the best manager in the world.

I am not that interested in dropping players if they are out of form but not playing players because they are not naturally physically large players is just plain stupid. If you are gonna drop Dp , then the players who are playing have to be much better than he is and so far I cannot say I have seen any of the 2 before him being better than him. His biggest problem is the way we play as launching balls in the air is not useful to him at all and he is not in very good shape anyway. But i guarantee you if he played half as badly as some of the matches i have seen Zlatan play and Trez usually, he would have been subbed before you can say Zala, just because he is not a 6 footer. All the hullaballo to his exclusion would have been irrelevant if we were winning or at least, playing very well but being unlucky but not when we are playing trash.

We are not good enough to be carrying players like Trez week in week out, it would be different if we had players who could open up defences but we do not so Trez too suffers as he is totally incapable of doing anything himself.

I have not given up on the scudetto but we are not the best team in Italy not by a long way
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
well said denco cap really has smth with height,
do u remember how many times he subbed montela to delvechio?
i really hate this crossing(air game) thing, it never helped juve
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
++ [ originally posted by grecul ] ++
well said denco cap really has smth with height,
do u remember how many times he subbed montela to delvechio?
i really hate this crossing(air game) thing, it never helped juve
Montella is having the last laugh now...

Me personally, I'd rather have Vincenzo over Trez, and Zlatan

Does that make me a L'Aeroplanino lover ????
 

Juve_Kosova

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May 4, 2004
11,622
wow... reamember when some ppl said that montella will join juve in the summer, and trez was gonna move.. every one was like WHAT.. montella SUCKS bigtime.. NO PLZZZ MOGGI NO!!! and now.. ppl love him!! omg!
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
++ [ originally posted by Juve_Kosova ] ++
wow... reamember when some ppl said that montella will join juve in the summer, and trez was gonna move.. every one was like WHAT.. montella SUCKS bigtime.. NO PLZZZ MOGGI NO!!! and now.. ppl love him!! omg!
I never heard about that one. But I wouldn't mind it at all.
 

Roman

-'Tuz Fantasy Master-
Apr 19, 2003
10,778
I believe that we don't need him(also he won't come),

coz IMVHO Zlatan,Mutu and Cassano can do the work on the best side.

Cassano and Mutu is enough for THAT position as addittion.

But we definietly need addition in other places specially AM!
 

Stu

Senior Member
Jul 14, 2002
17,557
++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++

Montella is having the last laugh now...

Me personally, I'd rather have Vincenzo over Trez, and Zlatan

Does that make me a L'Aeroplanino lover ????
Hopefully Del Piero has the last laugh as well..

I like Montella too, he's times better than Trezeguet. I said that in the Serie A thread not too long ago.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,170
I never liked Montella however he seems to be better than Trezeguet, this season at least. In any other season Trezeguet has been the better goalscorer. Montella is extremely lucky to have the two best Italian attackers play next to him, Totti and Cassano of course. If Trezeguet had these players to work with he would score 30 goals a season.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
72,692
++ [ originally posted by DelpieroForLife ] ++


After posting more than 1400 post u should at least reply with somthing smarter... try harder pal... and one day u will do it... i still have some faith on u ....
:LOL: you still have some faith on m_elayyan
 

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