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Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
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The fact that we have no playmakers is exactly why Montella would be more beneficial to our cause than Trezeguet. He can create for himself and those around him and though he wouldn't solve our attacking problems directly he'd surely be of more use than Trez. I'm not saying that we should sign Montella, but in a team where the midfield lacks creativity and good chances are hard to come by, Trezeguet can't be relied on as heavily as Capello is relying on him now. A trident attack consisting of Del Piero, Montella and Ibrahimovic would be quite nice actually as Zlatan has targetman qualities and could use his physical characteristics to lead the line, while Montella is a good finisher capable of playing a slightly withdrawn role and DP a technical support striker. I'm sure we're never going to see this, but I'd take that trio over Trez upfront with two DMs in the side any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
 

Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++

I do not agree. The past couple Roma matches I have seen the only players coming back and starting the attack themselves are Totti and Cassano. Montella is certainly a more mobile player than Trezeguet, however they both take a back seat duing the matches for ohers to do the work. Do not get fooled with Totti and Cassano in there.
I didn't say that Montella comes back and starts attacks, but he gets involved in the build-ups and can make chances for himself and those around him. Why would he need to drop back to start attacks with Mancini, De Rossi, Totti and Cassano playing behind him? And no, I don't want or expect Trezeguet to start attacks, just get a bit more involved and move some more.

@Eaglesnake: That's folly. How can you say that Montella is inconsistent when he's the league's leading scorer and strikes at a more efficient rate than some of Europe's best players (Shevchenko and Adriano to name a few)? Sure, he gets great service, but don't let the fact that Totti and Cassano play behind him fool you. Not all of his goals have been finishes from one-on-one situations or tap-ins, he has scored some fantastic goals this season. The overhead kick a couple of weeks back was magnificent and he scored one earlier on in the season where he drifted wide left, side stepped his marker and bent it into the far corner from the edge of the area. Out of absolutely nothing he made space for a shot and converted it brilliantly. Trez does the converting brilliantly part, but where Montella makes space for himself on occasions David needs his teammates to make that space for him.
 

Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++

Andy, unlike some other players that shall remain nameless (!!!!!), Vincenzo can make his own opportunities

Forget last season, when CRAP (I like that better than TRAP !!) kept him on the bench to keep it warm. Vincenzo was a goalscoring machine a few seasons ago, was on the bench with DP during WC 2002 (another stupid move), and before that, he was a hero at Sampdoria, scoring almost at will
I meant to tell you about calling Capello CRAP as opposed to TRAP some time ago (see my sig :D) but it slipped my mind. By doing so people won't think you mean Trapattoni and it suits his name quite nicely. Cap, Crap..
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++
The fact that we have no playmakers is exactly why Montella would be more beneficial to our cause than Trezeguet. He can create for himself and those around him and though he wouldn't solve our attacking problems directly he'd surely be of more use than Trez. I'm not saying that we should sign Montella, but in a team where the midfield lacks creativity and good chances are hard to come by, Trezeguet can't be relied on as heavily as Capello is relying on him now. A trident attack consisting of Del Piero, Montella and Ibrahimovic would be quite nice actually as Zlatan has targetman qualities and could use his physical characteristics to lead the line, while Montella is a good finisher capable of playing a slightly withdrawn role and DP a technical support striker. I'm sure we're never going to see this, but I'd take that trio over Trez upfront with two DMs in the side any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
No he would not be more beneficial to our cause. He is not like Ibrahimovic who can do it all up front and become involved in buildup, and he is certainly not a Del Piero. Whenever I watch Montella play is not always involved, letting Totti and Cassano do all the work while he remains in the box. If you would take those two players away Montella would not do anything more than Trezeguet, except for seemingly move around more. Without playmakers he would not look as useful because he is still not a striker who creates that many chances by himself. All of his goals come from crosses by Totti and cutting passes by Cassano. Montella would be a waste of money for us.
 

Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++

No he would not be more beneficial to our cause. He is not like Ibrahimovic who can do it all up front and become involved in buildup, and he is certainly not a Del Piero. Whenever I watch Montella play is not always involved, letting Totti and Cassano do all the work while he remains in the box. If you would take those two players away Montella would not do anything more than Trezeguet, except for seemingly move around more. Without playmakers he would not look as useful because he is still not a striker who creates that many chances by himself. All of his goals come from crosses by Totti and cutting passes by Cassano. Montella would be a waste of money for us.
As I said, I'm not saying that we should buy Montella so whether he'd be a waste of money or not is quite irrelevant. Vincenzo isn't an Ibrahimovic who can muscle defenders off the ball but he is certainly much more complete than Trezeguet and more active as well. He may not be doing that much right now because Totti and Cassano are doing well and he doesn't need to provide a lot in terms of play prior to the finish, but when necessary Montella does contribute to the build-up and he certainly makes his own chances. How Monty would do without a good playmaker behind him remains to be seen, but I'm pretty sure that he'd do a whole lot more than Trezeguet.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
No he would not be more beneficial to our cause. He is not like Ibrahimovic who can do it all up front and become involved in buildup, and he is certainly not a Del Piero. Whenever I watch Montella play is not always involved, letting Totti and Cassano do all the work while he remains in the box. If you would take those two players away Montella would not do anything more than Trezeguet, except for seemingly move around more. Without playmakers he would not look as useful because he is still not a striker who creates that many chances by himself. All of his goals come from crosses by Totti and cutting passes by Cassano. Montella would be a waste of money for us.
Yeah I believe you have a point here (finally :D just kidding ;)). When I've seen Montella "out of context", playing for the Azzurri for instance, a lot of the time he didn't look good at all. Even though he has excellent technique and scores fabulous goals from outside the box at times, he isn't the type to create for someone else and he doesn't have the skills (or the pace) to penetrate from far behind either. Without good service he wouldn't be effective.
 
Dec 26, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


The most important thing is that we don't get into the Lebanese-Syrian fight , because i think you know the current relation between these two countries...and i wouldn't like someone talking about my homeland...so lets just end it...Thanks!
I'm not interested in such thing but Jeeks seems to be very interested....
 
Dec 26, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


Yeah, Anyhow their time finished, Soon they'll get out of lebanon as the United States gave them their 2nd warning. Lebanon will be Free again:) after 30years under occupation...and General Aoun will be back....
I have told u that the whole subject is out of my personal interest... but Jeeks show the whole forum how racism and illiberal he can be...
Just watch this:

http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9045&perpage=20&display=&pagenumber=8

and pay your attention for how many :

****offensive material removed**** :yuck:
 
Dec 26, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++


Andy, unlike some other players that shall remain nameless (!!!!!), Vincenzo can make his own opportunities
Forget last season, when CRAP (I like that better than TRAP !!) kept him on the bench to keep it warm. Vincenzo was a goalscoring machine a few seasons ago, was on the bench with DP during WC 2002 (another stupid move), and before that, he was a hero at Sampdoria, scoring almost at will
I think I know one :D
 

Maher

Juventuz addict
Dec 16, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++
Like an 8 year old, he did it...he started it....i am not guilty, its his fault :LOL: :rofl:
I recommend if you ignore these guys , you will never change their minds about something
 

Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
17,557
++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++

Yeah I believe you have a point here (finally :D just kidding ;)). When I've seen Montella "out of context", playing for the Azzurri for instance, a lot of the time he didn't look good at all. Even though he has excellent technique and scores fabulous goals from outside the box at times, he isn't the type to create for someone else and he doesn't have the skills (or the pace) to penetrate from far behind either. Without good service he wouldn't be effective.
He wouldn't be as effective. Obviously he would be better with good service, I tend to think that most players would be, but where quality service is at a minimum I would definitely prefer Montella to Trezeguet.
 

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