[SERIE A] Lazio 1 -1 JUVENTUS (1/18/09) (13 Viewers)

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    Dabo: "Today we can now start playing equally, now if the referee makes a mistake he does it in good faith"

    F*CK YOU bench player!
    Go screw yourself, faithdick.

    Amer, did you really suggest Zarate vs Marchionni? :p
    Zarate isn't that much of a threat. Pandev is. Zarate is selfish and that suits us.
     

    Amer

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    Well that's what you said, isn't it? Point is that being a RB is much more than just crossing.
    Of course it's much more, but right backs hold less responsability than players on other parts of the pitch and you don't have to be talented at all to play in that position.
     

    Alen

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    Zarate isn't that much of a thread. Pandev is. Zarate is selfish and that suits us.
    We talked about Zarate before, and both of us rate him equally. But even if he's not as complete player as Pandev and he's indeed too selfish, he's still an explosive dribbler who needs to be marked by someone who is primarly a defender. We shouldn't give him a free pass through our right side, which i believe will happen if we have Marchionni there, as Amer proposed.
     

    Osman

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    But it's not like Poulsen has that experience either and I see him in almost every formation here. That is even more dangerous because it's the CB position.
    How about playing really well as a stand in CB for Sevilla for a couple of months? When Sevilla were having the same exact injury problems as we are having now. He cleaned HOUSE as a CB, has the qualities for it.
     
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    Azzurri7

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    We talked about Zarate before, and both of us rate him equally. But even if he's not as complete player as Pandev and he's indeed too selfish, he's still an explosive dribbler who needs to be marked by someone who is primarly a defender. We shouldn't give him a free pass through our right side, which i believe will happen if we have Marchionni there, as Amer proposed.
    We talked about him before? Oh yeah I just remembered, Lol...

    Giving him space is like handing him a Penalty kick, but again thats why I said him being selfish player is a good thing because thats the style of Football Sissoko, Zanetti wants and even our backs.


    Btw, our next 3matches can be our turning point of Serie A season. Lets just hope we hit the right trigger vs Lazio on Sunday.
     

    Alen

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    How about playing really well as a stand in CB for Sevilla for a couple of months? When Sevilla were having the same exact injury problems as we are having now. He cleaned HOUSE as a CB, has the qualities for it.
    Poulsen's advantage is that he actually is a defensive player, unlike Marchionni, and he can much easily adapt to playing defense than Marco. And that's if he didn't have any experience as a defender.
    The big plus is that he actually played in defense for a big club in the a big league, even if it wasn't for a long period.
     

    Osman

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    Is that really the best you can do? Mellberg came from Aston Villa, and is good enough to start for us, Legro came from Siena (so did Molinaro) and is now good enough to start for us, Grygera came from Ajax...do you want me to continue?

    Sevilla are better then these teams, He came from a Uefa cup champs, and a CL team, and even though it wasnt his real positiong, he stood in that position when they needed and did suprisingly well there.

    So really, what gives that you question him with "Sevilla is not Juve", question a DM who HAS experience in doing really well as a stand in CB, which is what we need now, when you are suggesting an offensive player who never in his life played as a defender, should play RB???? How insulting to defenders to say anyone can do that job.

    Poulsen is atleast a very defensive player, VERY competent in positioning and marking, qualities perfect for a CB, he HOUNDS the AMs he usually marks, a certain Schalke game against Kaka is one of the most impressive DM work I have seen. And you say a guy like this isnt good enough, when an average winger who cant defend for shit, is?
     
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    FFS what are we really discussing? We all know there's no way Claudio is going to play Marchionni RB or Poulsen CB.


    Lets ask some useful questions.

    Is Sissoko suspended?
     

    Alen

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    FFS what are we really discussing? We all know there's no way Claudio is going to play Marchionni RB or Poulsen CB.


    Lets ask some useful questions.

    Is Sissoko suspended?
    :lol:

    Nah, i do think that Claudio may play Poulsen at CB but i still think that Ariaudo will play there or De Ceglie will play RB with Mellberg in CB.
     

    Snoop

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    I didn't get that "Sevilla is not Juve" bullshit too. I bet Sevilla has much better players than Grygera, Molinaro and Knezevic
     

    Sadomin

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    Of course it's much more, but right backs hold less responsability than players on other parts of the pitch and you don't have to be talented at all to play in that position.
    Just give it up. I agree that a fullback has less responsibility than a CB. But no talent at all? Tell that to Cafu, Zambrotta or Maicon.
     

    Amer

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    Is that really the best you can do? Mellberg came from Aston Villa, and is good enough to start for us, Legro came from Siena (so did Molinaro) and is now good enough to start for us, Grygera came from Ajax...do you want me to continue?
    Sevilla are better then these teams, He came from a Uefa cup champs, and a CL team, and even though it wasnt his real positiong, he stood in that position when they needed and did suprisingly well there.

    So really, what gives that you question him with "Sevilla is not Juve", question a DM who HAS experience in doing really well as a stand in CB, which is what we need now, when you are suggesting an offensive player who never in his life played as a defender, should play RB???? How insulting to defenders to say anyone can do that job.

    Poulsen is atleast a very defensive player, VERY competent in positioning and marking, qualities perfect for a CB, he HOUNDS the AMs he usually marks, a certain Schalke game against Kaka is one of the most impressive DM work I have seen. And you say a guy like this isnt good enough, when an average winger who cant defend for shit, is?
    And they all played in their natural position when they came here, nobody asked from them to play in the midfield like these guys are asking of Poulsen to play in defence.

    And Marchionni would play as RB not as CB
     

    Sadomin

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    Of course it's much more, but right backs hold less responsability than players on other parts of the pitch and you don't have to be talented at all to play in that position.
    Just give it up. I agree that a fullback has less responsibility than a CB. But no talent at all? Tell that to Cafu, Thuram, Zambrotta or Maicon.

    And they all played in their natural position when they came here, nobody asked from them to play in the midfield like these guys are asking of Poulsen to play in defence.

    And Marchionni would play as RB not as CB
    Poulsen is a defensive midfielder. His role is to break up play, pressurize opponents and intercept passes. This is what he does best. He's also excellent in the air. Does this description fit into the qualities necessary in another position? Such as centre back?

    He basically plays like a 5th defender in midfield. Sissoko, who does similar things, doesn't. He's not really tactically aware but he compensates for this with his pace and strength. Momo would not make a very good defender despite playing in the same position as Poulsen.


    Marchionni is a winger who plays closer to the forwards than the fullbacks. His role is to dribble, score and create chances. He can't tackle, he's not all that fast without the ball and his current role doesn't demand that he defends one on one.

    There are some wingers who are very suited to playing as fullbacks. Just look at Zambrotta, Zhirkov and Chiellini who all started out as wingers. They all had/have the talent necessary to defend. They work hard, are fast, have good anticipation and can put in a good tackle. Marchionni is not like those.

    See the difference?
     

    Osman

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    If Poulsen was fit and hat match experience, I think Ranieri would consider him without any doubt. But he is just back from injury, and only played 5 minutes in the last several months.

    Plus, I think Ariaudo can do the necessary job, so no need really, even if its unfortunate he has to play to begin with. He just needs extra support from others.


    Btw, even if Zarate is usually an impulsive and gunho go for the glory player, he is still VERY creative and not as simplistically selfish as you put it. If not needing to mark him is explained by he is selfish and will screw up, which is BS to begin with since he is lethal, you oughta know that he IS Lazio's assist leader by some margin (made some vital and great last minute assists in couple of games). He assisted both Pandevs goals last game, can assist from nowhere despite several defenders being on him. Underestimating him is THE LAST we should do.

    Saying Marchionni can take care of him is laughable, Mellberg is a strong marker, but I am nervous still that he will have to keep up with this tricky player.
     

    Amer

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    Just give it up. I agree that a fullback has less responsibility than a CB. But no talent at all? Tell that to Cafu, Thuram, Zambrotta or Maicon.
    I never said these guys aren't talented. You seem to have missed a point here. I said: you don't have to be talented at all to play in that position. Most of the guys playing there are idiots.
     

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