Serie A: Juventus vs Inter [November 4 2007] (4 Viewers)

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Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
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What gotta hurts, I still say it till now, I wanted Milan to win that night.

And If Milan would face any english side again this year, I'll wish Milan to win it.


I don't see the big deal with that.

And notice something that i said " It's good to see Milan winning it not Liverpool" ;)
I am not blaming you for saying that, but still aren't you a little bit hipocryte when you tell someone that he is Zlatanista or not Juve fan when he says that Zlatan is an excellent player?
 

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Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
What are you trying to say. Media and Press are rating him one of the best players on the field tonight.

Majority of the fans aswell. I don't think all these people are fool.


Chiellini was outstanding, and his charachter is just amazing. It's very rare to find people with his charachter playing with passion and heart, Gattuso is one for example, he escapes red cards almost in every single game and he's considered one of the best for his play, charachter and his passion.


To me, Chiellini looks like future Captain more than anyone.
the way he handled and pissed of Zlatan not perform or not to concentrate are all great things, even the verbal abuse. But punching here and there hitting attackers' heads with his arm and escaping the punishment doesn't make him a hero. I don't give a flying fuck what bullshit media sells, I don't even read what media writes, future captain? that would be the worst thing to happen. A captain should have responsibility for staying in the game firstly, and keep his team calm and concentrated to the game, he is far from being a captain. thou I praise him from day one for his skills and hard work, but he is becoming another Zlatan, another Materazzi that make you disgust from football. I can't believe how you praise what he has done and tell me he is showing future captain signs, knowing you praise Del Piero for his class (which everyone agree with that including me), trouble makers like him always give harms to the team. Zlatan is one of the best talents out there, and I was saying that from day one, but I was first for asking Zlatan to be transfered out for these exact same reasons, because he is an Idiot. If Chiellini keeps on acting like this, I will be the first one to want him out.

Shame he is having this behavior, when I was glad that we had the best replacement we could have for Zambrotta. But he can never have the class of Zambrotta sadly..
 

Pingo

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Oct 31, 2007
674
Once again DP has shown, that he can not play 90.min, he is for the Jocker role or 25 -30 min MAX, from the bench...Nedved??? WTF is going on... :( Maybe bouth are showing their age

Chiellini and Palla were a surprise tonight...Tonight has shown, that with out Camo we're nothing in creativity department...:confused:

Next match, Ranieri should play:

Zebina----Legor----Chiellini---Molinaro

Camo----Zanetti---Tiago----Palladino

--------Iaquinta----Trezeguet

I'm not so happy about a point against MERDA, but what can u do, the boys did well on the pitch in fighting and :heart2: aspect of the game, more just isn't possible at the moment
Inter didn't show their supremacy, so that's ok...
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
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the way he handled and pissed of Zlatan not perform or not to concentrate are all great things, even the verbal abuse. But punching here and there hitting attackers' heads with his arm and escaping the punishment doesn't make him a hero. I don't give a flying fuck what bullshit media sells, I don't even read what media writes, future captain? that would be the worst thing to happen. A captain should have responsibility for staying in the game firstly, and keep his team calm and concentrated to the game, he is far from being a captain. thou I praise him from day one for his skills and hard work, but he is becoming another Zlatan, another Materazzi that make you disgust from football. I can't believe how you praise what he has done and tell me he is showing future captain signs, knowing you praise Del Piero for his class (which everyone agree with that including me), trouble makers like him always give harms to the team. Zlatan is one of the best talents out there, and I was saying that from day one, but I was first for asking Zlatan to be transfered out for these exact same reasons, because he is an Idiot. If Chiellini keeps on acting like this, I will be the first one to want him out.

Shame he is having this behavior, when I was glad that we had the best replacement we could have for Zambrotta. But he can never have the class of Zambrotta sadly..
I tottaly agree with U when you say that to be a captain you need to be calm, concentrated, cool headed and comunicate with refferee not just complain. Chiellini is not showing any of theese characteristics, he is overeacting and easily explode (remember Cagliari game). And not to mention that Chiellini is pretty much lucky when it comes to cards cuz he is always on the edge of getting them. Still he is young and will learn to cool his temper and I hope becmo better player and after that maybe a captain.
 

Eddy

The Maestro
Aug 20, 2005
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I think that's uncalled for Snoop, if you were to say that, then we could also say the same to Nedved for what he's done in some Juve games over the past 5 years.
 

Morra10

Senior Member
Apr 30, 2006
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palladino can't play in the midfield. He doesn't take defenders on which he should do. He just cuts back and comes into the middle of the field. He should drive the ball to the touch line and than get a cross in. He did that once in this game, cammo's goal. Zanetti and nocerino did what they were supposed to do and that's win balls and cause havoc. No creativity, no service, no goals. Cammo proved we need quality in the midfield. Someone who can deliver the final ball, like a tiago. We win balls and than just waste it.

Chiellni is my hero. No nonsense defending. He dominated ibrah today. I'm glad he got in a little elbow to the face too. That was priceless.
 

Geof

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May 14, 2004
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the way he handled and pissed of Zlatan not perform or not to concentrate are all great things, even the verbal abuse. But punching here and there hitting attackers' heads with his arm and escaping the punishment doesn't make him a hero. I don't give a flying fuck what bullshit media sells, I don't even read what media writes, future captain? that would be the worst thing to happen. A captain should have responsibility for staying in the game firstly, and keep his team calm and concentrated to the game, he is far from being a captain. thou I praise him from day one for his skills and hard work, but he is becoming another Zlatan, another Materazzi that make you disgust from football. I can't believe how you praise what he has done and tell me he is showing future captain signs, knowing you praise Del Piero for his class (which everyone agree with that including me), trouble makers like him always give harms to the team. Zlatan is one of the best talents out there, and I was saying that from day one, but I was first for asking Zlatan to be transfered out for these exact same reasons, because he is an Idiot. If Chiellini keeps on acting like this, I will be the first one to want him out.

Shame he is having this behavior, when I was glad that we had the best replacement we could have for Zambrotta. But he can never have the class of Zambrotta sadly..
He's only 23, he'll be a mature defender by Serie A standards in like 6-7 years. It's pretty normal to be a bit hot headed at this age.
And I think Chiellini and Zlatan have personal problems with each other. It's not like this was regular behaviour from Chiellini.
 

rvi

l'amour toujours
Apr 5, 2007
2,033
I tottaly agree with U when you say that to be a captain you need to be calm, concentrated, cool headed and comunicate with refferee not just complain. Chiellini is not showing any of theese characteristics, he is overeacting and easily explode (remember Cagliari game). And not to mention that Chiellini is pretty much lucky when it comes to cards cuz he is always on the edge of getting them. Still he is young and will learn to cool his temper and I hope becmo better player and after that maybe a captain.
i agree.very well said.

i also thought it was touching to see gigi taking the reigns of control and calming and reassuring nico and giorgio after the goal was conceded and also encouraging everyone near him.
great job gigi!
 

Esteban

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Mar 6, 2005
5,365
@Zlatan: Did you noticed how fucking Vugdalic is obviusly cheered for Inter on OBN?
It was the same on Swedish telly. The commentator as usual with his tongue so far up Ibra's anal cavity he had a hard time making himself understood properly.

Fuck you TV4 and especially fuck you Magnus Hedman in the studio afterwards. You were a lousy goalkeeper that ruined a lot for our country in big tournaments and your opinions on the "cheating Juve" counts for shit.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
84,754
Well, I'm happy with the result. Maybe I'm conceding the Scudetto race too soon here, but Inter has what seems like $50MM in salary overhead compared to us -- and we're just trying to get back into the Champions League.

The first half was generally better than I expected. Sure, we didn't make enough of our opportunities. I blame Nedved for a lot of that -- the guy kept trying to score singlehandedly from 30m+ out, ignoring his teammates in front of goal, and skying the ball no where near the net. I stopped yelling at him every time he was in that situation, because he would keep doing it anyway.

We had a good bit of possession, though, and in that first half we looked more threatening and looked for the early goal. Inter had their chances, but the offside trap mostly worked. That is, until Grygera stopped paying attention to where his teammates were.

And speaking of fullbacks -- did we have any in defense? I swear I felt like I was watching a 2-5-3 formation sometimes. Inter would dump the ball in the corner and the closest black-and-white stripes was a kid buying a kit in the Juvestore in front of the stadium. Hello? Anybody there?

Second half Inter threatened more and we looked more sloppy. The subs were generally good -- Nedved had to go and was wasting too many of our chances. Del Piero wasn't adding enough to the dynamic. And Gigi had to save our bacon too many times -- though arguably a couple of times they should have called offsides but didn't. I think they got tired of doing that all match against Inter, so they let a few by.

Still, I have to feel for the ref in a tough match like this -- nobody is going to like your calls either way. When Cordoba frisked Del Piero in the box, I could see calls for a PK only because we've surrendered PKs less obvious than that. But otherwise I do think the ref did a good job.

In the end, we made the most against a team that largely matched up strongly in favor against us. The team held their own and didn't give in -- least of all Gigi.

Buffon - 7 - Shouldn't have had to work as hard as he did, but he did. MOM. This game was lost without his play and his captain's focus to keep us in the game.

Grygera - 4.5 - In nowhereland on defense -- left us completely exposed too often. Sloppy ballwork almost cost us a couple goals going the other way. Good sub -- should have happened sooner.

Legrottaglie - 6.5 - He was mentally in the game and held up to some pretty tough opposition.

Chiellini - 7 - He was beyond in the game. Maybe a little too in the game. You got the sense that he was going to pop a cap in Ibra's ass in the parking lot after the match. While I like that spirit, it can sometimes implode on you. But his defensive play -- sometimes brutal -- seemed the right pace to disrupt things. Some clean tackles, and some that left people with welts.

Molinaro - 5.5 - In defensive nomansland as well as Grygera. But he had a much better second half, sending a few creative balls in on the offensive end and smartly pairing with Palladino on some exchanges. Still woefully over his head out there.

Zanetti - 7 - Our best midfielder for much of the match. Control and smarts.

Nocerino - 6.5 - Again better as a destroyer than as a right wing midfielder. And he showed very good tenacity and pursuit of the ball, entangled Inter often, and even made a decent pass or two. Not bad for someone with his better years ahead of him.

Nedved - 4.5 - Yes, we still love you. But you really hurt the team today. No show of teamwork. No sense of his personal limits on his ability to make deep, risky shots. Squandered almost all our first half opportunities.

Palladino 6.5 - His problem has often been that he can get picked clean of the ball in the closed field. There was a little of that, but more often he would maintain possession. Some real development there. Nice cross to set up the goal too.

Del Piero - 5.5 - Our captain got too entangled in the defense. He forced a couple of free kicks. He wasn't able to be very effective today.

Trezeguet - 5.5 - Few touches today, but that's not unusual. However, he didn't do enough with them. And too many of his touches were in midfield.

Subs:

Iaquinta - 7 - Great header down to set up the goal. He worked hard to chase after balls, which I thought was exemplary for a sub to commit that kind of energy. No laziness here.

Camoranesi - 7 - We were a different team when he came out. His entry swung the game back in our favor, and it wasn't just his goal from a lucky deflection either.

Zebina - 6 - Not on long enough. But not a bad cross when he was (shockingly). Was a noticeable improvement over Grygera.

Coach:

Ranieri - 6 - Generally good subs, though Grygera was on too long. The team came out rather aggressive but unable to convert. They weren't intimidated though and kept their heads in the game to win back a point.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
I tottaly agree with U when you say that to be a captain you need to be calm, concentrated, cool headed and comunicate with refferee not just complain. Chiellini is not showing any of theese characteristics, he is overeacting and easily explode (remember Cagliari game). And not to mention that Chiellini is pretty much lucky when it comes to cards cuz he is always on the edge of getting them. Still he is young and will learn to cool his temper and I hope becmo better player and after that maybe a captain.
That's my wish as well. Our directors better do whatever it takes to discipline him, If he had received red cards for these games mentioned and more, Chiellini would be bashed just like Zebina for letting his team down with ten men.. But everyone is "drunk" of the result, they will realize this in the coming weeks, if no action is taken.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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That's my wish as well. Our directors better do whatever it takes to discipline him, If he had received red cards for these games mentioned and more, Chiellini would be bashed just like Zebina for letting his team down with ten men.. But everyone is "drunk" of the result, they will realize this in the coming weeks, if no action is taken.
Problem with Chiellini is if that guy is the captain, who is going to restrain him when he's about to get himself a red card ejection? That's one of the many things you need a captain for. I think Chiellini is not captain material for that very reason.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
He's only 23, he'll be a mature defender by Serie A standards in like 6-7 years. It's pretty normal to be a bit hot headed at this age.
And I think Chiellini and Zlatan have personal problems with each other. It's not like this was regular behaviour from Chiellini.
come on man don't tell me you see this kind of behavior of him for the first time, Cagliari game also the one against Fiorentina against Vieri, and there are many of them I can't remember them specifically. He should be disciplined if we want to win him.
 

Ahmed

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Sep 3, 2006
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i agree with swag about the fullbacks...not only today but a lot of times i have noticed that teams attack a lot against us down the flanks with our full backs nowhere in sight...Tinkerman should rectify this situation
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
Problem with Chiellini is if that guy is the captain, who is going to restrain him when he's about to get himself a red card ejection? That's one of the many things you need a captain for. I think Chiellini is not captain material for that very reason.
exactly. Thou I appreciate his Juve spirit and hard work and all, but if he can't control his temper that won't help us. hard tackles and all are all accepted as long as they are smart ones, away from the box and at the right time, but going on opponents and hit them intentionally for no reason, with expressing all his hate, without even caring the place he is doing and what result it could lead. I don't think that adds anything to my team, he escapes the red cards once and twice, but things will not go this way all the time.

He is no Nedved alike like someone claimed, Nedved gives stupid reactions, but Nedved is no idiot to look for troubles intentionally. same is Gattuso, Gattuso does the dirty work for his team's sake, not for personal problems or idiocy..
 
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