Well, we can agree to disagree.
Of course, if Juve had a better central defense pairing, then this would be a moot point.
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SERIE A: Juventus - Parma (26 Viewers)
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Well, we can agree to disagree.
Of course, if Juve had a better central defense pairing, then this would be a moot point.
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I have it on tape. I'll check it out, too. The only reason why I didn't pay too much attention to it, was because you didn't have half of the Parma team and coaches screaming bloody murder about it.
That Gilardino offside call was borderline, at best. I think the side judge was looking at his shoe laces being offsides.
That Gilardino offside call was borderline, at best. I think the side judge was looking at his shoe laces being offsides.
Hell, I'll go 1 step further :
An in-form Davids is better than Tacchi AND Appiah !!!!!
Lippi has to play Davids, he cant let him go stale on the bench like Fresi !!!
Miccoli is the future of Juve IMO, the jury's still out on Maresca
Nedved is the heart and soul of this team, I just wish he was Italian !!!!!
Our defense STILL worries me, Montero should retire, or go to the EPL !!!
Was it that our defense was so good yesterday, or was Parma just that bad ????????????????????????
An in-form Davids is better than Tacchi AND Appiah !!!!!
Lippi has to play Davids, he cant let him go stale on the bench like Fresi !!!
Miccoli is the future of Juve IMO, the jury's still out on Maresca
Nedved is the heart and soul of this team, I just wish he was Italian !!!!!
Our defense STILL worries me, Montero should retire, or go to the EPL !!!
Was it that our defense was so good yesterday, or was Parma just that bad ????????????????????????
However, Appiah is one of our future regulars for the next few years in midfield, its just a question of what position to put him in.
Preferrably, I'd like to see him be groomed to take over Tacchi's spot in central midfield alongside Maresca, for the reasons that I gave earlier.
I don't think that it is Lippi's decision entirely to not play Davids, if you know what I mean, my fellow conspiracy theorist.
The Defense worries me, as well. To have 3 guys on the wrong side of 30 handling that much territory is all well and good playing against a less than full-strength Parma and the Lecce's of the world, but we'll get killed against the tougher competition. Moggi should break tradition and bring someone in, or hope against hope that Legro can sort out his problems and be the anchor in the middle.
Preferrably, I'd like to see him be groomed to take over Tacchi's spot in central midfield alongside Maresca, for the reasons that I gave earlier.
I don't think that it is Lippi's decision entirely to not play Davids, if you know what I mean, my fellow conspiracy theorist.
The Defense worries me, as well. To have 3 guys on the wrong side of 30 handling that much territory is all well and good playing against a less than full-strength Parma and the Lecce's of the world, but we'll get killed against the tougher competition. Moggi should break tradition and bring someone in, or hope against hope that Legro can sort out his problems and be the anchor in the middle.
Will be more critical here.
Generally, play was scrappy. The last 20mins was the kind of kickabout you see in training – a complete farce.
Defence was ok. The 3 CBs with adequate covering by the wingbacks had some semblance of security due to numbers. I thought it bordered on being excessive since at any one time, Juve had 6-7 players camping in their defensive half. Parma’s threat was almost exclusively down their right (Marchionni) Whatever half-chances they had came from our confusion in the box.
Midfield was its usual dour self. In a way, it was Ancelotti’s 2000-2002 revisited. Maresca and Tach sat very deep. Wing overlaps and longball were what passed off as organized buildup. Why didn’t Parma clamp down the way Inter/Lazio showed them to? The answer’s probably the same as the one when you watch them for the last 20mins. As expected, Maresca added range while Miccoli (left), Nedved (right) often dropped back wide to fetch and carry with reasonable effect. There was a huge gap in place of the normal link you’d expect between the midfield and attack. Apart from a few nice interplays, the attack still looks fragmented. With the very flattering attention Nedved has been receiving of late, I’ve a feeling his health won’t last very long.
Forwards. Considering the kind of support they received from midfield, they deserved a lot of credit. Miccoli took his chances superbly while DP placed his perfectly but Nedved’s 1st-timer was the best of the lot. DV’s purple patch is officially over. Where he used to miss mostly chances, he went one better this time by missing everything. Even Zalayeta looked better. It might be worthy to note that all 4 goals were scored when their defence was more or less on the backfoot. While that reaffirms our prowess in open spaces, therein lies our limitation too, unfortunately. On 180mins of evidence, Parma and Olympiakos were good morale boosters and should be considered as just that. On a harsher tone, apart from the scoreline, its nothing radically different from any of the games in our last 16-match unbeaten streak.
Individually,
Buffon (5) – Looked a little dodgy perhaps due to not having to make a single save.
Ferrara (6.5) – Calming influence and good all-round game.
Montero (6.5) – Kept his cool and did (relatively) well defensively.
Iuliano (6.5) – Not as prominent as the rest but well done all the same.
Birindelli (6.5) – Gave 100%.
Zambrotta (6.5) – A little disappointing with his usual high standards. A little perplexed by him crossing when there’s nobody upfront for him to center to. Would have done better cutting in and shooting from long-range.
Maresca (6.5) – Eager to impress and maybe held on to the ball for too long. A little slow and perhaps too indulgent. Tried to do too much at times and lost possession in very dangerous positions. Offensively, a highly encouraging outing; has the vision, technique and capability in delivery. Workrate and defensive game needs to be improved before Tach can be dislodged.
Tach (7) – The anchor role in the 3-4-1-2 is his natural habitat.
Nedved (7.5) – Fantastic workrate and did everything from defending, assisting to scoring. That, from a man who’s supposed to be suffering from flu.
Miccoli (7) – Dangerous and entertaining. Great finishes.
DV (1) – Sh!te.
Zalayeta (6) – Came on as a sub and for a man of his build, had great skill and touches.
DP (6.5) – Apart from the goal and assist, nothing much else.
Conte (no rating) – Not enough time to judge but a mighty insult to Davids, who was warming up before Lippi decided to shuff Conte in instead after going 4-0 up.
Generally, play was scrappy. The last 20mins was the kind of kickabout you see in training – a complete farce.
Defence was ok. The 3 CBs with adequate covering by the wingbacks had some semblance of security due to numbers. I thought it bordered on being excessive since at any one time, Juve had 6-7 players camping in their defensive half. Parma’s threat was almost exclusively down their right (Marchionni) Whatever half-chances they had came from our confusion in the box.
Midfield was its usual dour self. In a way, it was Ancelotti’s 2000-2002 revisited. Maresca and Tach sat very deep. Wing overlaps and longball were what passed off as organized buildup. Why didn’t Parma clamp down the way Inter/Lazio showed them to? The answer’s probably the same as the one when you watch them for the last 20mins. As expected, Maresca added range while Miccoli (left), Nedved (right) often dropped back wide to fetch and carry with reasonable effect. There was a huge gap in place of the normal link you’d expect between the midfield and attack. Apart from a few nice interplays, the attack still looks fragmented. With the very flattering attention Nedved has been receiving of late, I’ve a feeling his health won’t last very long.
Forwards. Considering the kind of support they received from midfield, they deserved a lot of credit. Miccoli took his chances superbly while DP placed his perfectly but Nedved’s 1st-timer was the best of the lot. DV’s purple patch is officially over. Where he used to miss mostly chances, he went one better this time by missing everything. Even Zalayeta looked better. It might be worthy to note that all 4 goals were scored when their defence was more or less on the backfoot. While that reaffirms our prowess in open spaces, therein lies our limitation too, unfortunately. On 180mins of evidence, Parma and Olympiakos were good morale boosters and should be considered as just that. On a harsher tone, apart from the scoreline, its nothing radically different from any of the games in our last 16-match unbeaten streak.
Individually,
Buffon (5) – Looked a little dodgy perhaps due to not having to make a single save.
Ferrara (6.5) – Calming influence and good all-round game.
Montero (6.5) – Kept his cool and did (relatively) well defensively.
Iuliano (6.5) – Not as prominent as the rest but well done all the same.
Birindelli (6.5) – Gave 100%.
Zambrotta (6.5) – A little disappointing with his usual high standards. A little perplexed by him crossing when there’s nobody upfront for him to center to. Would have done better cutting in and shooting from long-range.
Maresca (6.5) – Eager to impress and maybe held on to the ball for too long. A little slow and perhaps too indulgent. Tried to do too much at times and lost possession in very dangerous positions. Offensively, a highly encouraging outing; has the vision, technique and capability in delivery. Workrate and defensive game needs to be improved before Tach can be dislodged.
Tach (7) – The anchor role in the 3-4-1-2 is his natural habitat.
Nedved (7.5) – Fantastic workrate and did everything from defending, assisting to scoring. That, from a man who’s supposed to be suffering from flu.
Miccoli (7) – Dangerous and entertaining. Great finishes.
DV (1) – Sh!te.
Zalayeta (6) – Came on as a sub and for a man of his build, had great skill and touches.
DP (6.5) – Apart from the goal and assist, nothing much else.
Conte (no rating) – Not enough time to judge but a mighty insult to Davids, who was warming up before Lippi decided to shuff Conte in instead after going 4-0 up.
I would not rate DP. But I strongly disagree with your comments.
To understand DP's contribution you need to look at the context of the game & the impact he made. When he came in Parma had started to gain belief that they might get something out of the game. Enter DP and bang a goal. That kills Parma off. 2 minutes later a fantastic assist to Neddy and wham goal. That killed off the game. It's good to see DP that sharp.
To understand DP's contribution you need to look at the context of the game & the impact he made. When he came in Parma had started to gain belief that they might get something out of the game. Enter DP and bang a goal. That kills Parma off. 2 minutes later a fantastic assist to Neddy and wham goal. That killed off the game. It's good to see DP that sharp.
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I would not rate DP. But I strongly disagree with your comments.
To understand DP's contribution you need to look at the context of the game & the impact he made. When he came in Parma had started to gain belief that they might get something out of the game. Enter DP and bang a goal. That kills Parma off. 2 minutes later a fantastic assist to Neddy and wham goal. That killed off the game. It's good to see DP that sharp.
I would not rate DP. But I strongly disagree with your comments.
To understand DP's contribution you need to look at the context of the game & the impact he made. When he came in Parma had started to gain belief that they might get something out of the game. Enter DP and bang a goal. That kills Parma off. 2 minutes later a fantastic assist to Neddy and wham goal. That killed off the game. It's good to see DP that sharp.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to diss DP or anything but its just like what you said. Likewise, let's not read too much into the scoreline against Parma for in truth, they were very very poor and not even a fraction of the team which faced us (2-2) last season.