SERIE A: Juventus - Parma (23 Viewers)

[Wings]

On the contrary I will go with Sergio here. There definitely is a Juve without Tacchi me thinks. He is the sort of player who excels when everyone else is & resorts to worse fouls than Montero when things dip. However Appiah seems to be capable of doing the same job without the ugly fouls.

 

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[JuveCampione]

mates, the change in this game is that we played with the players that should play, and not just a collection of players, like against Inter and Lazio.
there is no doubt about it, Miccoli and Maresca are our best players at the moment (!!) We took advantage of it against Olympiakos and Parma
They are players with magnificent abilities, and they will be good for the future too.
anyway a big lesson was being learned in this game.
Camoranesi, Appiah and Legrotagglie did not get a place even in the bench (and rightfully so at the moment), and Del Piero started on the bench. he's showing signs of recovery, so he enetered to the match in the second half.
good job Lippi!
now that's a great lineup we didn't think about in the beginning of the season!!

 

[sallyinzaghi]

Lippi: "Waiting for this answer"
14 12 2003

Lippi (La Presse)
Marcello Lippi is happy for the convincing victory for 4-0 against Parma. "I was sure that the team was about to play as seen. I’m here since 8 years and I know which answers to wait for. We offered a good performance sustained by our personality. The defense? I’ve bet over the champions who gave me always reliability: the played their part".

 

[sallyinzaghi]

I think we could afford to let Tacc stay in our midfield. Its not like he's been playing badly or anything. at least, I don't think so :undecide:

I thought Birindelli did quite well tonight

 

[Desmond]

we didn't exactly walk all over them,but we took our chances very well,that's for sure.del piero showed brilliance and alot of vision as well,especially in creating nedved's stunner.

tacch distributed flawlessly as usual,while maresca took a backseat with neddy doing most of the holding up instead.zamby forayed to little avail though-marchionni had a better showing throughout.

our hardest workers were birindelli and ferrara and we defended pretty well in the box,and limited parma's options to high balls for gilardino who did well with whatever he got.montero's clearing of the ball got me worried on some occaisions but overall we looked solid.

well,guess this'll shut up those critics who started spreading the word about a supposed crisis.4 points off the pace ain't too far for juve,certainly not just halfway into the season.

 

[SlimValdi]

any body got the goals video

 

[Stu]

Guys, how does this look for next season:

Buffon - Thuram, Mexes, Legrottaglie - Oddo, Tacchinardi, Maresca, Zambrotta - Nedved - Miccoli, Del Piero

 

[denco]

What an annoying person that Dp really is, he could have made it so much easier for those who I am sure could not wait to start typing that his absence has made Juve better by scoring 7 against Olympiakos and 4 agaginst Parma without him but annoyingly he came on and not only does he score from his first touch against Olympiakos , he comes on against Parma to provide the only genuine spark in a quite frankly dreadful game.
Instead of coming on and letting Parma come back and win 3-2 he goes and spoils all the fun by scoring and providing an assist to Nedved thereby spoiling the day for "true Juve fans" who could not wait to come on here and bash him

To the game, frankly it was nonsense, the only good thing is that we won and hopefully back on track

3 man defence did not feel me with much confidence as though they did not concede , Montero had another poor game, he cannot pass the ball at all , in fact none of them can and that is part of our problem, we do not have a defender who can bring the ball forward and start an offence from there, maybe Tacchinardi can be moved to defence and paired with Tudor and one other there

Nedved was brilliant as he did not overstray this time, more or less playing as a right winger and helping out Birindelli in defence therby not putting undue pressure on midfield and defence by constantly being outta position

I see everyone is hailing Maresca, but in truth he was not brilliant, he was good but nothing more and he gave the ball away a fair bit

They say brilliant assist by Maresca but the run made the pass not the ohter way round, Tacchinardi's ball to Miccolli was more impressive but his praises are not sung

Miccolli was very good but I wish he got more involved as he comes to life, then 10 minutes you do not see him then he comes to life again, he has to get more involved though

Dv , well had a very bad day, but escapes criticism because he is not the normal scapegoat like Dp and Trez have been on here lately, he was awful , and his misses are counting each and every time

I am quite annoyed by the way officials keep on undermining us as every tome they take shine off us by bad decisions, Miccolli for the second goal might have been offside but no flag, Guiadino was onside and the assitant just raised his flag before the guy could move
And that happened quite a few times as well, its rubbish like that which take the shine off Juve's victories as though we may deserve to win our opponents and enemies have ample ammunnition to undermine us because officials are stupid enough to make silly decisions in our favour

 

[Stu]

Great post, denco

PS. Don't you think that Legrottaglie is a good passer?

 

[denco]

++ [ originally posted by -Fantasista- ] ++
Great post, denco

PS. Don't you think that Legrottaglie is a good passer?

He is a decent passer of the ball but is he a good defender? For a man of good height he does get beaten very easily in the air in defence and the time he tried to play the ball out of defence to my memory he was caught by Martins who went on to score but I don't mind him, its Montero, I want to see the back of, thats not a place where you can afford to have a liability

 

[A_LAcki]

++ [ originally posted by -Fantasista- ] ++
Guys, how does this look for next season:

Buffon - Thuram, Mexes, Legrottaglie - Oddo, Tacchinardi, Maresca, Zambrotta - Nedved - Miccoli, Del Piero

Good, but it is unrealistic that we will buy Mexes and Oddo! We will have to get a replacement for Davids or at least another mid, and We are not known for buying like mad! So its Mexes OR Oddo IMO! Although I would prefer Lucio instead of Mexes who is still too young for Serie A football!
If I would be Moggi, I would give away Montero (or if Ferrara retires keep Montero), get Lucio and get Stankovic + Benjamin. Stankovic would, btw, be a bosman move, if he won't renws his contact!

Also, our attack would be to predictable! In the offense a should have more optins, like 1-2 passes, a high ball in the box........
And with DP and Miccoli there is noone for a high ball, so we would need a big striker like Trez for the high ball, to have more options up front!

 

[A_LAcki]

Denco, Miccoli wasn't offside! Go to raisport homepage and watch it again! He was never offside!

I also think that Tacchi was great and his assist was very impessive! But I don't agree about putting Tacchi in the def! Get Lucio or someone who can pass the ball! And Legrotaglie instead of Montero, who lost his form totaly, but Lippi is in love with this guy, as he keeps playing him too often!

 

[KB824]

++ [ originally posted by A_LAcki ] ++


Tacchi is the best saftey net for Enzo! A real fighter and IMO Appiah is just a possible replacement for Enzo! You saw the assist from Tacchi for Miccolis second??? Great and you will see that without Tacchi there is something you will miss! Last year we sucked in def. midfield without Tacchi and the defense missed him!

IMO there is no Juve without Tacchinardi! GREAT PLAYER!!!!!

Here's my opinion.

I think that Appiah has the POTENTIAL to be a better player than Tacchinardi. To me, he is definitely quicker than Tacchi when he has the ball, and especially off the ball. If we are going to use Nedved and Maresca in attacking roles from the midfield, which is great, then we need someone with quicker pace than Tacchi, when Enzo and Neddy overrun, and get themselves caught on the wrong side of a counter-attack, and I think that Appiah is the man for the job. I realize that Tacchi made a splendid pass to Miccoli on his second goal, but from what I saw, he was more often than not, caught out of position on a few angles, and that concerned me.

 

[denco]

++ [ originally posted by A_LAcki ] ++
Denco, Miccoli wasn't offside! Go to raisport homepage and watch it again! He was never offside!

I also think that Tacchi was great and his assist was very impessive! But I don't agree about putting Tacchi in the def! Get Lucio or someone who can pass the ball! And Legrotaglie instead of Montero, who lost his form totaly, but Lippi is in love with this guy, as he keeps playing him too often!

I never said he was, I said he may or may not have been but the same linesman who was so quick to raise his flag against Giuardino , did not do so against Miccolli. Besides between europsort news , rai uno, italian uno and british eurosport, i am tired of seeing the goal.

Lucio, a mistake waiting to happen, thats all we need another error prone defender, he is exciting quite alright and is a good player, I am not altogether sure getting a Brazilian defender is the way to go.Besides Moggi and co say they are not spending so its better to make use of what we have

 

[A_LAcki]

Yes, but you also have to know that we need someone with leading skills, who tells the younger guys what to do! You know, a leader in def.mid! And Appiah is a runner but not a leader! I think we can't compare Tacchi and Appiah, as Appiah is mor like Davids!

 

[KB824]

++ [ originally posted by A_LAcki ] ++
Yes, but you also have to know that we need someone with leading skills, who tells the younger guys what to do! You know, a leader in def.mid! And Appiah is a runner but not a leader! I think we can't compare Tacchi and Appiah, as Appiah is mor like Davids!

And an in-form Davids is better than an in-from Tacchinardi, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Hydde]

What an annoying person that Dp really is, he could have made it so much easier for those who I am sure could not wait to start typing that his absence has made Juve better by scoring 7 against Olympiakos and 4 agaginst Parma without him but annoyingly he came on and not only does he score from his first touch against Olympiakos , he comes on against Parma to provide the only genuine spark in a quite frankly dreadful game.
Instead of coming on and letting Parma come back and win 3-2 he goes and spoils all the fun by scoring and providing an assist to Nedved thereby spoiling the day for "true Juve fans" who could not wait to come on here and bash him

Amen

3 man defence did not feel me with much confidence as though they did not concede , Montero had another poor game, he cannot pass the ball at all , in fact none of them can and that is part of our problem, we do not have a defender who can bring the ball forward and start an offence from there, maybe Tacchinardi can be moved to defence and paired with Tudor and one other there

Yeap, Montero looked very insecure again.....and this is worrying

Nedved was brilliant as he did not overstray this time, more or less playing as a right winger and helping out Birindelli in defence therby not putting undue pressure on midfield and defence by constantly being outta position

Amen

I see everyone is hailing Maresca, but in truth he was not brilliant, he was good but nothing more and he gave the ball away a fair bit

I would ot say brilliant, but he did very well with his asistances, after all, everyone can lose spme balls right?

They say brilliant assist by Maresca but the run made the pass not the ohter way round, Tacchinardi's ball to Miccolli was more impressive but his praises are not sung

Eh, sorry but if u are talking about Miccoli´s second goal.. the pass was made by maresca.

Miccolli was very good but I wish he got more involved as he comes to life, then 10 minutes you do not see him then he comes to life again, he has to get more involved though

well, after those 2 goals i cant ask more

Dv , well had a very bad day, but escapes criticism because he is not the normal scapegoat like Dp and Trez have been on here lately, he was awful , and his misses are counting each and every time

Very UNffair

I am quite annoyed by the way officials keep on undermining us as every tome they take shine off us by bad decisions, Miccolli for the second goal might have been offside but no flag, Guiadino was onside and the assitant just raised his flag before the guy could move
And that happened quite a few times as well, its rubbish like that which take the shine off Juve's victories as though we may deserve to win our opponents and enemies have ample ammunnition to undermine us because officials are stupid enough to make silly decisions in our favour

IM not sure about the gilardino offside... But Miccoli was clearly on side IMO.

Lucio, a mistake waiting to happen, thats all we need another error prone defender, he is exciting quite alright and is a good player, I am not altogether sure getting a Brazilian defender is the way to go.Besides Moggi and co say they are not spending so its better to make use of what we have

IM tired of saying this thing too, Lucio is TOO error prone.Here is people that want him... but he is NOT the best choice"!

 

[Loppan]

++ [ originally posted by USA Juventini ] ++


And an in-form Davids is better than an in-from Tacchinardi, wouldn't you agree?

With you all the way on that

 

[A_LAcki]

++ [ originally posted by USA Juventini ] ++


And an in-form Davids is better than an in-from Tacchinardi, wouldn't you agree?

In a different way! Davids battles the balls and runs like hell if he is on top-form, but you need a holding mid in front of the defense! Thats the mistake many people make, they compare Davids to Tacchi! You can't do this, as they are different type of players! If they were the same, we never would see them playing in one team, as it would be nonsense!

An on-form Davids helps the team in a different way an on-form Tacchi does! Believe me, our defense needs him more than anything! Look at the games last year, we played without Tacchi! The results speak! And btw. Tacchi plays a great season so far, why do so many people want him out of the team???

 

[A_LAcki]

++ [ originally posted by denco ] ++
I never said he was, I said he may or may not have been but the same linesman who was so quick to raise his flag against Giuardino , did not do so against Miccolli. Besides between europsort news , rai uno, italian uno and british eurosport, i am tired of seeing the goal.

Lucio, a mistake waiting to happen, thats all we need another error prone defender, he is exciting quite alright and is a good player, I am not altogether sure getting a Brazilian defender is the way to go.Besides Moggi and co say they are not spending so its better to make use of what we have

Full agree, but despite Lucio making errors from time to time, I think he is the best def. for the build up play! He even scores like mad and is the best man-marker in the world! The only one I would like to have more is Van Buyten!