[Serie A] Juventus - Palermo (14 Viewers)

THE CHAMPIONS

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2006
1,281
Alexander said:
First of all I would like to say that I for one am also tired of reading the constant anti-capello campaign led by some members of this forum. But on the other hand they all love Juventus and they are entitled to express their opinions. All I ask is that they argue their case against Capello in a classy and elegant manor using personal opinions and arguments instead of just again and again writing stuff like 'crapello', etc.


:wth:

We're NOT all sick of Capello... :disagree: I'm not, and I'm sure there are millions of other Juventini around the globe who are happy with what Capello has done for this club. Just because a group of people on this forum has decided to dislike him doesn't mean we ALL do...

Beside a few matches this season, the exaggerated use of Zebina, using Mutu out of position and the lack of playing time for Del Piero I've overall been very happy with Capello this season. He has led Juventus to one Scudetto already and is very close to winning a second one with us. So frankly, I disagree with the notion many members on the board share - that Capello has been a failure and that we should sack him asap.

No... I say -

Thank you Capello for the success and happy memories you've given Juventus and it's fans throughout the last two seasons. And I hope that you stay with us for the remaining years of your career!!!!

About the match, I can't believe you're already complaining that Capello will bench Del Piero tomorrow just because some newspapers and sites say so. If Del Piero is benched tomorrow I will be the first to be unhappy about it but don't attack Capello already just because you read a proposed lineup somewhere on the web.

The loss of Corini for Palermo is a major boost for Juventus as he is without doubt their most important player.

Have some faith. ;)

Forza Juventus! Now I will go pray to God we win tomorrow and that Del Piero will play the full match.
U said everything I wanted to say,though if there is a right substitue coach who has the right experience to bring the CL for Us then I'll say Thank U Cap. & Goodbye but if there werent,then keep Cap. for the 3rd STAR!(30th SCudetto)
 

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Bisco

Senior Member
Nov 21, 2005
14,420
Alexander said:
First of all I would like to say that I for one am also tired of reading the constant anti-capello campaign led by some members of this forum. But on the other hand they all love Juventus and they are entitled to express their opinions. All I ask is that they argue their case against Capello in a classy and elegant manor using personal opinions and arguments instead of just again and again writing stuff like 'crapello', etc.


:wth:

We're NOT all sick of Capello... :disagree: I'm not, and I'm sure there are millions of other Juventini around the globe who are happy with what Capello has done for this club. Just because a group of people on this forum has decided to dislike him doesn't mean we ALL do...

Beside a few matches this season, the exaggerated use of Zebina, using Mutu out of position and the lack of playing time for Del Piero I've overall been very happy with Capello this season. He has led Juventus to one Scudetto already and is very close to winning a second one with us. So frankly, I disagree with the notion many members on the board share - that Capello has been a failure and that we should sack him asap.

No... I say -

Thank you Capello for the success and happy memories you've given Juventus and it's fans throughout the last two seasons. And I hope that you stay with us for the remaining years of your career!!!!

About the match, I can't believe you're already complaining that Capello will bench Del Piero tomorrow just because some newspapers and sites say so. If Del Piero is benched tomorrow I will be the first to be unhappy about it but don't attack Capello already just because you read a proposed lineup somewhere on the web.

The loss of Corini for Palermo is a major boost for Juventus as he is without doubt their most important player.

Have some faith. ;)

Forza Juventus! Now I will go pray to God we win tomorrow and that Del Piero will play the full match.

alright its true capello has won the league once and is a step closer to wining his second and juves 29th title. he is highly appreciated for that. why are most people on this forum anit-capello, or capellp haters what ever u name them its for several reasons:

1- capello has made juventus into an open book to all the clubs in the world. and its very obvious everyone knows how we play our formations our tactics the players we depend on and soo on.... its his fault bec if u have'nt notcied capello uses the same formation and tactic against all teams we face except real madrid when he used the trident. other than that he uses the same players every game and the same tactics all the time. its true they work but that does'nt mean they would work against all teams. for example last year against liverpool its well known english clubs depend mainly on there speed and there passes yet capello used the same tactic and its proved to be a failure. i personally thought that juventus would learn the lesson and this time implement a new formation to cancel out the speed factor that our midfeilders lack. a year passed by and here we are this year again and at the same stage as last year we meet another english team aresnal and we play the same way using the same tactics and we lose int he same manner fast midfielders and amazing passes on the ground.

2- capello is a great coach no doubt about it. if he was'nt i dont think teams like man utd, inter, and real madrid would consider him as an option, but a coach does not only deal with formatations, tactics and training programmes a coach is like a best friend to his players. can any one, any one here tell me if he has seen capello greet or motivate a player after he has been substituted no , the only player who gets this is ibrahimovic ( i will discuss ibrahimovic later in this post). del piero scores and saves juve and in return he gets benched the next game does'nt take a fortune teller to predict this happening. u see trez scoring and piling in goals and nothing. cammorenise is perhaps the most unfairly treated player in this squad we may agree and we may disagree but i honestly think that cammo is a superb player and what he showed in the aresnal game was no doubt unintentional cos of how the team was playing if u watch the game u will notice that cammo goes forward to play the ball to trez or ibrahimovic and then goes back to repair all the damage zebina does by his stupidity. despite all this happening cammorensie got fined, and is now transfer listed where as ibrahimovic gets red cards and does loads of violent stuff yet he never gets fined and is never transfer listed. if u were a player alexander and u just loved juventus and played with all that u have to offer not only that u covered up for a poor defender mistakes and despite all that the team is'nt preforming the way they should how would u feel i can guarntee it u might do what cammo did and how would u feel if u never get a sec chance and the next day u r fined and tranfer listed i am sure u would be upset with capello, the teams transfer policy and discepline policy .

3- capello insists on starting with ibrahimovic despite his poor form this season and this comes on the price of better players like del piero and mutu for example and to be honest we got mutu and expeted him to be a great addition but unfortunetly he was never given as many chances, and he never played in his right position. ibrahimovic is a good player i cant disagree but there is sth behind him not playing the way he played last season. i can summarize the reasons in the following:

* he has become 100% sure that no matter how poorly he plays and no matter how stupid he can be there is no way capello would even think of benching him or even realeasing a comment against him. in the treviso game we all saw this when ibrahimovic was substitued did u see how he and capello had a fight and the next day capello goes out to defend him i mean come on juventus is not ibrahimovic its 22 players who also require support and motivation from there manager and equal treating they r human beings after all.

* real madrid and his contract issues, i think he is already in madrid if not physically he is there mentally he has been thinking about madrid and not getting on with juventus dont concinve me he is the same as last year or at least as good as how he started the first half of this season well before the madrid transfer came up.

4- finnally i apprecite how u are grateful for capello being able to retain the league title but juventus is not intermilan ( with all respect to people who like them ), calgari, treviso , or siena. these teams will be grateful if they win the league, juventus is a much much much bigger team and big teams expect the domestic title they concentrate on there continent and i clearly mean the champions league its been 10 years now and we have'nt seen the cup in turin. every year capello and the management promise that we will make it and we never do. put 2003 aside bec thats another story lippi built a great team that has equality and motivation as a basement and using the human side of being a manager he motivated his team and they toke on team after team, until he lost to penalty shoot outs!!!!!!
so just bec capello won the league with juventus we have to kiss our hands and his hands and be grateful and content, no i have to diagree with u on that bit.

its true most anti capello guys who post here are negative but u cant blame them for how they feel about it, as for the amount of words used or the type of language i think its not from disrespect to people who like capello but its comes form great love and care for juventus. i am not saying that u or others who like capello are not juve supporters not at all i understand yr piont and now i hope u understand why every one wants capello to leave or is negative towrds him.
 

Ascension

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2005
1,882
Vinman said:
congratulations !!!


You just identified yourself as a Capello lover, and NOT a Juve fan

hopefully you will leave also, when Capello is finally shown the door

and for your information, there arent too many Juve fans in the world who are happy with Capello, only the very naive fans are
This is a false accusation from a pile of dust! :lol: Where did I say that I was not a Juve fan?? Nowhere!! :smoke:

I would like to say that I love Juventus a billion times more than I love Capello! You're simply gonna have to take my word on this... ;)

And if you don't do so, I really have to dissapoint you by saying I couldn't care less what 'Vinman' thinks about me. :lol2:

Part of me is just joking here, Vinman. No offence meant, my friend.
And I can guarantee you there are many happy Juve fans out there who liked the way Capello led us to victory.
 

Ascension

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2005
1,882
You say that Juventus style of play has become an open book. I look at it from a different angle: Capello consistently uses the same players in each game so that the 11 players he choose can get familiar with each other on the pitch by improving their understanding for each other's play.

Capello uses the same tactics? More or less, yes. With the exception of a few matches. But again I see it from this angle - if the players play the same tactics each match they know for certain how to play and the more they play the 4-4-2 the better they play it and hence the better results...

They also improve their performances on the pitch by becoming more familiar with the same system. This way they make fewer mistakes and pass the ball around even better than if they played a different tactic each week. This is one of Capello's unsong secrets to his success which has seen him win with every single club he ever coached.

And another good thing about Capello's insistence on the 4-4-2 is that the substitutions that come on to the pitch instantly know their roles on pitch and hence we decrease the margin of error when we substitute the players.

Although I must admit that I several times this season wanted to play either 4-3-1-2 or 4-3-3 while Capello perhaps made the mistake of being too reliant on the same tactic.

Finally I want to say that of course I know people are only bashing Capello out of their love for the club. I'm not questioning anyone's love for Juventus here and I admire your passion for your team. I'll give you that. All I ask is that we all show respect. :agree:

Now I'm off to bed so I can be fresh for tomorrow's match. Will happily continue the discussion tomorrow.

Ciao
 

Tifoso

Sempre e solo Juve
Aug 12, 2005
5,162
You make a good argument :)

How do you explain Juve's early CL exits the past two years, though (especially this year)?

I think he over uses his "favorite" players in Serie A...which leads to them being fatigued for CL and, late in the season at least, for Serie A itself.

What do you think, amico mio?
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Its a good thing to base upon a system and let your players adapt to it,
i agree that it helps to the teams stability in every field to have a basic plan and some certain roles
BUT

-you have to adjust your system to the players skills from the very beginning,
the way Cap uses Zlatan,Nedved,RBs,Mutu,Zambro isnt the right one,
the players cannot perform 100% of their abilities and i dont have the impression that they are improoving,
do you?

-a few teams/matches in the year need different tactics for maximum efficiency,
you cant play physical game with long balls against English,Germans teams and Lazio,
Cap repeats it and looses all the time, everybody can see it but him,
he has to pick a main scheme but he has to have one back up plan at least

-His subsitutions are horrible, they came too late and very rarely offer anything,
most of the times the team looses strenght after them...
 

Bisco

Senior Member
Nov 21, 2005
14,420
Tifoso Lou said:
You make a good argument :)

How do you explain Juve's early CL exits the past two years, though (especially this year)?

I think he over uses his "favorite" players in Serie A...which leads to them being fatigued for CL and, late in the season at least, for Serie A itself.

What do you think, amico mio?

i agree with u tifoso, i have another question alexander, ( dont take this against u mate this goes out to any one who likes capello, i appreciate u being open to debate alexander) u say 4-4-2 is used alot to make the players used to it, ok i will let u off on this but again as tifoso said this excessive use was another reason behind us getting eliminated from the cl this year. again the lack of rotation shown by capello is the first reason behind the current form juventus is in particually after the winter break this is bec the same 11 he uses are exhausted and this is the difference between us and say milan where they start slowly and heat up towards the end this is bec they have rotation. ok u might answer me and say he has no choices on the bench i agree with that to be honest the subs juventus have are not as strong as we thought but again its his fault remember he asked for those players, another reason is he does not give a chance to he players he has, example blazartie, chelini, mutu, and oivera he gave them a chance when things got terrible for him and there fore he gives them there chance when all the stress is on like now.

i agree with u alexander that capello is a coach who has already proven himself with other clubs but not yet 100% with juventus i mean it is no secret juventus were strongly linked with at least reaching the final and even wining this champions lleague but due to the exhaustation we suffer from we cant. i think another reson and this is my personal opinion we have veterns we dont have any young talanted players i mean look at our midfeild viera and emerson both are defensive midfielder why cant we have one defnesive midfielder and one attacking midfielder it will open up our style of play making it agresive with more balls reaching the forward and it will also help control the midfield sth we didnt see against aresnal we lost to there young, and fast midfielders. the transfers again are capello's choices after all right?
any way i think u now know why we are against him and i respect yr opinion alexander i understand yr piont clearly and this is the answer to it. i think capello is a great coach when it comes to seria A but when it comes to knock out stages specially in the cl we r poor again its bec we lack squad rotation and the presence of creativity in the formation and tactics used and implemented by capello. i respect the fact that juventus is the only team in europe that has lost one game in there run in a domestic title race but thats not everything and is never a measure of how strong or weak a coach or a team is.
 

Bisco

Senior Member
Nov 21, 2005
14,420
Cronios said:
Its a good thing to base upon a system and let your players adapt to it,
i agree that it helps to the teams stability in every field to have a basic plan and some certain roles
BUT

-you have to adjust your system to the players skills from the very beginning,
the way Cap uses Zlatan,Nedved,RBs,Mutu,Zambro isnt the right one,
the players cannot perform 100% of their abilities and i dont have the impression that they are improoving,
do you?

-a few teams/matches in the year need different tactics for maximum efficiency,
you cant play physical game with long balls against English,Germans teams and Lazio,
Cap repeats it and looses all the time, everybody can see it but him,
he has to pick a main scheme but he has to have one back up plan at least

-His subsitutions are horrible, they came too late and very rarely offer anything,
most of the times the team looses strenght after them...

:agree: :agree: :agree: that again is another reason!!!!
 

3pac

Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
7,206
Vinman said:
find exactly where I insulted Zebina and Zlatan

the challenge is on !!:agree:


I'd be happy to do so, however first we have to decide whether saying someone is homosexual and sucking cap's cock is an insult (in my opinion it is)
 

3pac

Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
7,206
OK so i guess you win, I couldnt find any, but I'm more than sure you've insulted him at some point :D



While searching, however, I did come across one hell of a post :lol2:

Vinman said:
lets try this...to try to appease everyone-

ZLATAN IS THE GREATEST SWEDE

TO EVER, EVER, EVER

PLAY FOR THIS TEAM !!!!!




I hope that makes everyone happy...and hopefully, they'll sleep better at night knowing this !!!;)


+Rep for that one :D
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,514
I've came too see does anyone put links to watch the game on-line :D
And found same old story about Capello and Ibrahimovic.

I really really think that we need only one thread about theese two (Cap & Ibra) because in every single thread on the forum i found argues about them.
 

ZAF3000

Senior Member
Feb 14, 2005
5,348
Alexander said:
And another good thing about Capello's insistence on the 4-4-2 is that the substitutions that come on to the pitch instantly know their roles on pitch and hence we decrease the margin of error when we substitute the players.
when it happens everytime don't you think that maybe... just maybe the player who is a sub should've been a starter :faq1:
Another one.. When the sub is give the starting 11 and plays well then subed for player who is usually a starter don't you think its kind of strange that usual starter fails to put a proper impact.. So again the usual sub should be the usual starter and vice versa :faq1:
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
Sir Sebastian said:
OK so i guess you win, I couldnt find any, but I'm more than sure you've insulted him at some point :D



While searching, however, I did come across one hell of a post :lol2:





+Rep for that one :D

thats what I thought, Sebi ;)


I'd be happy to do so, however first we have to decide whether saying someone is homosexual and sucking cap's cock is an insult (in my opinion it is)
uhmm...

were talking about players, not forum members !!:D
 

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