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Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Juventino[RUS];4362412 said:
No, but the rule of away goals and the luck factor both has ruined many super teams in the champions league
I agree with that one. Luck however is part of any sport/game.
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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Juventino[RUS];4362412 said:
No, but the rule of away goals and the luck factor both has ruined many super teams in the champions league
You're just proving my point even further. :tup:
 

Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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Juventino[RUS];4362410 said:
You need a bit of luck to make a comeback from 0-3, it's pretty obvious
Ok, imagine a team goes one man down for a bad call, but manages to score and win. So obviously the one that got the advantage were unlucky to not take the advantage, while the one wich managed to win with one man down were skillful enought to do that
 

Juventino[RUS]

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Mar 9, 2006
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You're just proving my point even further. :tup:
I'm proving my point lol
Now look at the number of games
To win championship you have to win atleast 25 games , while in CL it's enough to go to play off round with 7-8 points from the 2nd place, plus in the play off and even in the final it's enough to play draws only and win the tournament on penalties lmao and you keep telling me that CL is tougher :rofl:
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Few teams can win a league and CL in the same season anyway, and even fewer teams can win it with sheer quality above the rest. Only Barcelona and Bayern did it in recent times.

For a lot of teams they virtually give up one for the other, and as I don't see Conte as the type of coach who is going to give an inch in the scudetto chase then I would have to be happy with us making a 'good' showing in the CL. With a bit of luck and hitting good form/opponent in bad form maybe we could go far, but this team isn't quite built for winning both competitions. People might not like to hear that but it's just reality.
 

Juventino[RUS]

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Mar 9, 2006
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But how many catanias and baris do you play in CL knockout rounds?
Zero, but what's tougher 6 games against borussia real Barcelona and 1 final against bayern where you don't have to win, don't forget it to grab the trophy it's enough to draw all games because of away goals rule, while in championship you have 14 Catania's and you have to win all games against them to become the winner, so what's tougher ?!
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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Juventino[RUS];4362421 said:
I'm proving my point lol
Now look at the number of games
To win championship you have to win atleast 25 games , while in CL it's enough to go to play off round with 7-8 points from the 2nd place, plus in the play off and even in the final it's enough to play draws only and win the tournament on penalties lmao
I don't even have to try when debating with you. :tup: You need to be lucky to pass the group stage with 7-8 points and then again luck to win on penalties or away goals. One slip up in the knock out rounds and you're out, while in the league you can have more than a few bad games and still finish on top.
 

Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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Juventino[RUS];4362424 said:
Zero, but what's tougher 6 games against borussia real Barcelona and 1 final against bayern where you don't have to win, don't forget it to grab the trophy it's enough to draw all games because of away goals rule, while in championship you have 14 Catania's and you have to win all games against them to become the winner, so what's tougher ?!
It's two different competions and should be treated as such. What is more difficult win a marathon or a sprint?

For eg, in league you have only few quality teams who will challenge you, while in cup you have almost all who can chalange you in the knockout stages. Obviously the luck plays more in cup, but it can go both ways, you can get an easy path or you can get the most hard one, plus you will almost always will get really tough opponent in semis or final.

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I don't even have to try when debating with you. :tup: You need to be lucky to pass the group stage with 7-8 points and then again lucky to win on penalties or away goals. One slip up in the knock out rounds and you're out, while in the league you can have more than a few bad games and still finish on top.
It depends, in spain atm you really can't slip it seems(if you're not barca). For barca and Madrid it is definetly easier to win the league then the cup. But for a team like Atletico I think there is more chance to win the cup then the league.
 

Juventino[RUS]

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Mar 9, 2006
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I don't even have to try when debating with you. :tup: You need to be lucky to pass the group stage with 7-8 points and then again lucky to win on penalties or away goals. One slip up in the knock out rounds and you're out, while in the league you can have a few bad games and still finish on top.
That's the key - your team played like a shit, but they've managed to draw in the play off round against powerhouse aka Barcelona 0-0 at home and 1-1 away and that result lead ur team in the next round, so better team has own or ur side was lucky as hell?! And what does 2 draws mean in the league ? -4 points, that's it, open ur mind already , it's not that hard
 

Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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But you need to play good to be able to draw 0-0 to a powerhouse barca, and especially to draw away and scoring too no?
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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It depends, in spain atm you really can't slip it seems(if you're not barca). For barca and Madrid it is definetly easier to win the league then the cup. But for a team like Atletico I think there is more chance to win the cup then the league.
And that's what I've been saying. There's more unpredictability in the CL than in an average league competition, in the end making it harder to win it.
 

Juventino[RUS]

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Mar 9, 2006
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It's two different competions and should be treated as such. What is more difficult win a marathon or a sprint?

For eg, in league you have only few quality teams who will challenge you, while in cup you have almost all who can chalange you in the knockout stages. Obviously the luck plays more in cup, but it can go both ways, you can get an easy path or you can get the most hard one, plus you will almost always will get really tough opponent in semis or final.

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It depends, in spain atm you really can't slip it seems(if you're not barca). For barca and Madrid it is definetly easier to win the league then the cup. But for a team like Atletico I think there is more chance to win the cup then the league.
Yep, marathons are 10 time tougher than 100m sprint run, especially when you are Usain Bolt, he is not giving his best until it's final run
 

Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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And that's what I've been saying. There's more unpredictability in the CL than in an average league competition, making it harder to win it.
I agree, I was just arguing that the team that wins it is usually the best or one of the best teams in the tournbament, not some lucky BATE.
 

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