[Serie A] Juventus 3-0 Bari, April 25th, 2010 (14 Viewers)
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no melo no sissoko?
thank god that means marchisio will be played in his original position.
de ceglie-cannavaro-chiellini-caceres
---------------poulsen------------------
------marchisio----candreva----------
--------------camoranesi---------------
---------del piero---amauri------------
looks pretty decent to me.
thank god that means marchisio will be played in his original position.
de ceglie-cannavaro-chiellini-caceres
---------------poulsen------------------
------marchisio----candreva----------
--------------camoranesi---------------
---------del piero---amauri------------
looks pretty decent to me.
I am one of the fans who doesn't like the current management and I do give them most of the blame. But the problem doesn't end there.
We loose every game mostly due to the lack of movement on the field from our players. There are three reasons when this happens:
A- Lazy players
B- Instruction from the coach not to move/run forward
C- Fielding players who do not possess such abilities
I believe that is 60% "C", 35% "B" and 5% "A".
Now option C is due to TWO problems:
1- Not fielding them while having them
2- Not fielding them because we do not have them (injury or simply we do not own such a player).
Look at us. We insistently field 3 DM while we don't have decent full backs and we play a formation that does not have wingers. Even more at least 2 of these 3 players are poor passers. No matter how much Diego, Del Piero or any other attacking minded player in the field try, they will not be able to do anything.
Last year we were playing 50x better than this year. The reason is simple. We played with 2 wingers and 2 full backs. So even if on the right Grygera did not push forward enough camo or marchionni used to keep running like there is no tomorrow. On the left flank even if Molinaro used to run without any idea or clue, players like Nedved, Giovinco and Del Piero used to make sense of such movement by using it as a distraction.
We had three CMs. Two of them were above average passers (Zanetti and Marchisio) while Tiago was simply an addition. So even when Ranieri used to play a combination of Sissoko and Poulsen he had flanks that were, compared to this year, on fire. Let alone that Sissoko and Poulsen has better passing accuracy than Sissoko and Melo.
Look at the game against Inter. Our full backs did not even move. I bet you they did not need a shower after the game. Diego, Del Piero and Iaquinta were left out without service. Even when we tried to attack with Diego, you find him running with iaquinta alone. Not a single player tries to push forward with them.
Our transfer market has crippled us. By selling Zanetti and Marchionni along side Nedved's retirement we lost our cover on the wings and only one CM.
Thats why Caceres adds alot to the team. He runs tirelessly and tries to cross frequently. Even if the cross fails, his attempt to push forward keeps the pressure on the opponent which results maintaining possession of the ball and attack that may result in goals for more than goals against.
Candreva adds too, he runs alot and tries to opens up spaces. So even if he is having a bad day he still adds something.
Thats why I was WITH playing a 3 men defese because our fullbacks are useless. This way we can play with 2 DMs as Zac wants us, and their duties would be to simply stay back. We can play with 3 attacking payers. A combination of Giovinco, Diego, Camoranesi, Candreva and DC. In addition to two forwards. Because honestly, we do not have the players to play 4-3-1-2 with 3 DM/CMs. We can play the very similar 4-4-2 diamond with 1 DM, 2 Wings and a AM while not giving the full backs alot of attacking duties.
We loose every game mostly due to the lack of movement on the field from our players. There are three reasons when this happens:
A- Lazy players
B- Instruction from the coach not to move/run forward
C- Fielding players who do not possess such abilities
I believe that is 60% "C", 35% "B" and 5% "A".
Now option C is due to TWO problems:
1- Not fielding them while having them
2- Not fielding them because we do not have them (injury or simply we do not own such a player).
Look at us. We insistently field 3 DM while we don't have decent full backs and we play a formation that does not have wingers. Even more at least 2 of these 3 players are poor passers. No matter how much Diego, Del Piero or any other attacking minded player in the field try, they will not be able to do anything.
Last year we were playing 50x better than this year. The reason is simple. We played with 2 wingers and 2 full backs. So even if on the right Grygera did not push forward enough camo or marchionni used to keep running like there is no tomorrow. On the left flank even if Molinaro used to run without any idea or clue, players like Nedved, Giovinco and Del Piero used to make sense of such movement by using it as a distraction.
We had three CMs. Two of them were above average passers (Zanetti and Marchisio) while Tiago was simply an addition. So even when Ranieri used to play a combination of Sissoko and Poulsen he had flanks that were, compared to this year, on fire. Let alone that Sissoko and Poulsen has better passing accuracy than Sissoko and Melo.
Look at the game against Inter. Our full backs did not even move. I bet you they did not need a shower after the game. Diego, Del Piero and Iaquinta were left out without service. Even when we tried to attack with Diego, you find him running with iaquinta alone. Not a single player tries to push forward with them.
Our transfer market has crippled us. By selling Zanetti and Marchionni along side Nedved's retirement we lost our cover on the wings and only one CM.
Thats why Caceres adds alot to the team. He runs tirelessly and tries to cross frequently. Even if the cross fails, his attempt to push forward keeps the pressure on the opponent which results maintaining possession of the ball and attack that may result in goals for more than goals against.
Candreva adds too, he runs alot and tries to opens up spaces. So even if he is having a bad day he still adds something.
Thats why I was WITH playing a 3 men defese because our fullbacks are useless. This way we can play with 2 DMs as Zac wants us, and their duties would be to simply stay back. We can play with 3 attacking payers. A combination of Giovinco, Diego, Camoranesi, Candreva and DC. In addition to two forwards. Because honestly, we do not have the players to play 4-3-1-2 with 3 DM/CMs. We can play the very similar 4-4-2 diamond with 1 DM, 2 Wings and a AM while not giving the full backs alot of attacking duties.
Although I agree with most of what you posted, I still cant help but think we dont know what is best for our current players.
Midfield: We play 3 DM. Marchisio in my opinion doesnt have good defensive skills at all, so is he really a DM, or should he be given instructions to push up more and create more? My opinion is that he looks better when attacking than he does defending. What is Melo? Is he a DM in the sense of a destroyer or is he a DM who likes to create more? We know sissoko is a destroyer, nothing more or less.
Caceres: Works hard, runs a lot...crosses a lot, not often accurate or useful when doing so...but works harder than zebina and grygera. He cant reallly defend that well...not great at crossing...should he be playing at FB??? Defintiely not CB cuz we'll conceed too many penalties. What is he??
For me the main issue is that we have a bunch of players and realistically looking at each one, who the fuk knows where they should play and what they are capable of.
Midfield: We play 3 DM. Marchisio in my opinion doesnt have good defensive skills at all, so is he really a DM, or should he be given instructions to push up more and create more? My opinion is that he looks better when attacking than he does defending. What is Melo? Is he a DM in the sense of a destroyer or is he a DM who likes to create more? We know sissoko is a destroyer, nothing more or less.
Caceres: Works hard, runs a lot...crosses a lot, not often accurate or useful when doing so...but works harder than zebina and grygera. He cant reallly defend that well...not great at crossing...should he be playing at FB??? Defintiely not CB cuz we'll conceed too many penalties. What is he??
For me the main issue is that we have a bunch of players and realistically looking at each one, who the fuk knows where they should play and what they are capable of.
Yes, our players are not really as impressive as we thought they are last summer. That is said, we should try to make use of what we have. Give instructions that suits the players and formation. We insist on playing 4-3-1-2 but we don't instruct our full backs to run enough up and down the flanks. More over we player in the "3" players who are poor passers and don't give enough pressure up ahead.
About Marchisio, he is a CM like C. Zanetti. Poulsen, Melo and Sissoko are DMs.
Having poor full backs makes playing 4-3-1-2 useless. But this also means that playing 4-2-3-1 is not really great. Because the wingers in "3" will be doing all the crossing which will reduce their central presence (our DMs cannot help in that area).
In my opinion our best bet is to play 4-4-2 diamond formation OR a flat 4-4-2. Two wingers, Two full backs and two forwards WITH 1 DM and 1 CM/AM. If CM then its a flat 4-4-2 if AM then its a diamond 4-4-2.
About Marchisio, he is a CM like C. Zanetti. Poulsen, Melo and Sissoko are DMs.
Having poor full backs makes playing 4-3-1-2 useless. But this also means that playing 4-2-3-1 is not really great. Because the wingers in "3" will be doing all the crossing which will reduce their central presence (our DMs cannot help in that area).
In my opinion our best bet is to play 4-4-2 diamond formation OR a flat 4-4-2. Two wingers, Two full backs and two forwards WITH 1 DM and 1 CM/AM. If CM then its a flat 4-4-2 if AM then its a diamond 4-4-2.
can i ask why evryone hates 4-4-2...?
im all up for the 4 4 2 diamond midfield
buffon
caseres canna chiellini grosso
poulsen/melo
camo candreva/ giovinco
marchisio
diego/ del piero
amauri/ iquinta
ok it lacks defensive players, but the problem all year has been that our defense is contiually under attack, if have players who will move forward it takes alot of pressure off...
im all up for the 4 4 2 diamond midfield
buffon
caseres canna chiellini grosso
poulsen/melo
camo candreva/ giovinco
marchisio
diego/ del piero
amauri/ iquinta
ok it lacks defensive players, but the problem all year has been that our defense is contiually under attack, if have players who will move forward it takes alot of pressure off...
Playing the 4-4-2 will mean our attack will always be predictable coming from the flanks, and since we've no gifted wingers and the same goes for midfielders too ATM, I can't see why we should play this formation really. Unless we're gonna play it the way Spurs do, but then they play it while having fast, gifted and more importantly player who actually bother to position themselves perfectly and always go for the ball.
If we did go for a 4-4-2 could Diego float over to the left side perhaps. Can't be any more dreadful than he's been so far this season.
Buffon
--------,---------, Chiellini, De Ceglie
Camo, Sissoko / Melo / Poulsen, Marchisio, Diego/Candreva
Iaquinta / Trezeguet / Amauri, Del Piero
Like someone else posted we lack something in the wide areas. Amauri has been much less effective this season, is this why? or is just a general loss of form?
That's how i'd like to see us line up the rest of the season. Right back and one centre back position are pretty much up for grabs by anyone, Maybe we should look to youth? I'd quite happily drop Grygera, Zebina and Grosso for the rest of the season.
Buffon
--------,---------, Chiellini, De Ceglie
Camo, Sissoko / Melo / Poulsen, Marchisio, Diego/Candreva
Iaquinta / Trezeguet / Amauri, Del Piero
Like someone else posted we lack something in the wide areas. Amauri has been much less effective this season, is this why? or is just a general loss of form?
That's how i'd like to see us line up the rest of the season. Right back and one centre back position are pretty much up for grabs by anyone, Maybe we should look to youth? I'd quite happily drop Grygera, Zebina and Grosso for the rest of the season.
