[Serie A] Juventus 2-2 Lazio [May 16th, 2022] (2 Viewers)

[Juventino[RUS]]

In the RUS book of football tactics you may call it marking, but that stinks of football incompetence on Pelegrini's part.
As you can see from bon bon reaction as he set his eyes on the true culprit after the shot went in.
But it's Allegri's fault anyway.

Pellegrini did all he could to prevent this goal, tracked back and man marked Savic, then was caught with unlucky ball movement trajectory after Perin's save and then blocked Savic's shot but was again unlucky with ricochet that has helped Savic to score his goal.
BonBon should have blocked the shot, it was an easy job that he has failed to do.

 

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[kappa96]

Pellegrini did all he could to prevent this goal, tracked back and man marked Savic, then was caught with unlucky ball movement trajectory after Perin's save and then blocked Savic's shot but was again unlucky with ricochet that has helped Savic to score his goal.

Except man mark his man all the way.
He lost SMS and Juve lost 2 points. Simple as that. Not football science.
In the Rus book of football tactics there may be defined unlucky bounce, but in the real world its call lack of spatial awareness or forgetting your target.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Except man mark his man all the way.
He lost SMS and Juve lost 2 points. Simple as that. Not football science.
In the Rus book of football tactics there may be defined unlucky bounce, but in the real world its call lack of spatial awareness or forgetting your target.

Except he didn't. Oh, yes, he should have developed spidey-sense to perfectly predict the rebounds movement from goalkeepers saves

 

[PhRoZeN]

Highlight has to be Pirlo coming on and sending Dybala to the stands to sign autographs.

I've given up on the result and performance, it was just nice to see miretti and palumbo on. I wonder if palumbo's done enough to be bought now.

 

[kappa96]

Except he didn't. Oh, yes, he should have developed spidey-sense to perfectly predict the rebounds movement from goalkeepers saves

No he should have developed spidey sense for when he is butt watching de ligt and the shooter.
Spidey sense kicks in and he starts watching sms butt like a real defender should.
But Allegri forgot to tell him that so it's his fault.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

No he should have developed spidey sense for when he is butt watching de ligt and the shooter.
Spidey sense kicks in and he starts watching sms butt like a real defender should.
But Allegri forgot to tell him that so it's his fault.

Oh, yes, he should have turned around and look on Savic instead of watching the player with the ball

 

[kappa96]

Oh, yes, he should have turned around and look on Savic instead of watching the player with the ball

Nah, Allegri told him to watch de Ligt's butt and forget sms and we lost 2 points because of him.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Nah, Allegri told him to watch de Ligt's butt and forget sms and we lost 2 points because of him.

Except he didn't. He was following player with the ball and perfectly marking Savic before the show was made by that Lazio player.

 

[kappa96]

Except he didn't. He was following player with the ball and perfectly marking Savic before the show was made by that Lazio player.

And then he stopped watching de Ligt's butt, but somehow still forgot to turn his eyes on SMS's butt, who scored.
I can obviously deduct from this that watching too much butts and shooting players can lead to goals being scored from players you are supposed to mark.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

And then he stopped watching de Ligt's butt, but somehow still forgot to turn his eyes on SMS's butt, who scored.
I can obviously deduct from this that watching too much butts and shooting players can lead to goals being scored from players you are supposed to mark.

no, then he moved closer to perin in case of a bad rebound to kick the ball away.

 

[kappa96]

no, then he moved closer to perin in case of a bad rebound to kick the ball away.

So he moved closer to perin instead of marking SMS which in turn made the rebound bad, because SMS scored from it.

If he was marking SMS like he is supposed to, the rebound would have been a good rebound.

Straight from Rus's football tactics book.

And all of that because Allegri .

 

[JuvePerSempre10]

Honestly RUS I really don't understand why you are making such a big deal out of this. Yes, he was tracking Savic well until the shot, but then lost him/gave him a bit too much space, and wasn't aggressive enough attacking the ball after the rebound. SMS beat him to it and scored from a tough angle.

We ended the game with a few youngsters (Miretti, Ake, Palumbo) and some players who won't be hear next year (Sandro, Berna, Kean). Today's just about so much more than the result man.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Honestly RUS I really don't understand why you are making such a big deal out of this. Yes, he was tracking Savic well until the shot, but then lost him/gave him a bit too much space, and wasn't aggressive enough attacking the ball after the rebound. SMS beat him to it and scored from a tough angle.

We ended the game with a few youngsters (Miretti, Ake, Palumbo) and some players who won't be hear next year (Sandro, Berna, Kean). Today's just about so much more than the result man.

He scored through ricochet from Pellegrini's legs lol. As for other I will always fight for players against Allegri's cultist because of their denialism of Allegri's failures. One thing is constructive criticism, another thing is looking for scapegoats after every matchday when the real reason for all the problems is Juventus coach

 

[JuvePerSempre10]

He scored through ricochet from Pellegrini's legs lol. As for other I will always fight for players against Allegri's cultist because of their denialism of Allegri's failures. One thing is constructive criticism, another thing is looking for scapegoats after every matchday when the real reason for all the problems is Juventus coach

Is it possible it's a combination of both? That Allegri hasn't done enough this season but that a lot of our players are simply not good enough and are very error prone (as they have proved over the last 3/4 years)?

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Is it possible it's a combination of both? That Allegri hasn't done enough this season but that a lot of our players are simply not good enough and are very error prone (as they have proved over the last 3/4 years)?

What about using players in their unnatural positions? What about his fetish to give the possession away even against Venezia level teams? What about his fetish of not using a high pressing and high defensive line? What about his fetish to play with regista? He stuck in the past, he stagnated first and now completely regressed. What about the physical form of Juventus? Why it's so bad? It's all his fault.

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This shit is on the players too? Or on the coach? Even when they will calculate today's match Juventus still will be somewhere in 12th-18th place, it's a fucking disaster and it have nothing to do with Arthur, Rabiot or anyone else, it's Allegri's personal choice to play like this.

 

[JuvePerSempre10]

What about using players in their unnatural positions? What about his fetish to give the possession away even against Venezia level teams? What about his fetish of not using a high pressing and high defensive line? What about his fetish to play with regista? He stuck in the past, he stagnated first and now completely regressed

You've made up your mind about Allegri so there is no point arguing about any of these points, Allegri, just the players and management all have a fair share of blame of his this season went. But you can't just defend players' actions every single time and blame it on Allegri simply because you don't like him. This game is decided by incidents, today Pellegrini lost his man in the dying seconds of the game and we dropped points because of it, as simple as that.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

You've made up your mind about Allegri so there is no point arguing about any of these points, Allegri, just the players and management all have a fair share of blame of his this season went. But you can't just defend players' actions every single time and blame it on Allegri simply because you don't like him. This game is decided by incidents, today Pellegrini lost his man in the dying seconds of the game and we dropped points because of it, as simple as that.

They gave him Locatelli first, then Vlahovic and Zakaria and not only he has failed to get the best out of them somehow they all are playing WORSE than in their previous clubs - how come Locatelli plays worse than he was playing in Sassuolo? How come Zakaria plays worse than he was in Gladbach? How come Vlahovic plays worse than he was for Fiorentina? How come Kulusevski went to spurs and became a transfer of the season just in 5 months? JUST HOW???? If it's not the coach then who?? Agnelli is responsible for training process? Nedved is responsible for tactics? Arrivabene is responsible for picking the formations? Cherubini wants to play with regista despite not having one? John Elkann has asked Allegri to turn Zakaria into b2b player? OR MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, it's all Allegri's fault ?
He didn't lost anyone, he did what he was supposed to do and was very unlucky.

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This is Zakaria's stats for Gladbach and Juventus, so you want to tell me that somehow he forgot about how to play? OR MAYBE, just MAYBE, it's because Allegri doesn't use him as he should and trying to find a new role for him?? but why does he do it? WHY? How can a player make a switch from fucking Gladbach to Juventus and became WORSE in everything that he does on the field ? It's all the tinkerman's fault

 

[JuvePerSempre10]

They gave him Locatelli first, then Vlahovic and Zakaria and not only he has failed to get the best out of them somehow they all are playing WORSE than in their previous clubs - how come Locatelli plays worse than he was playing in Sassuolo? How come Zakaria plays worse than he was in Gladbach? How come Vlahovic plays worse than he was for Fiorentina? How come Kulusevski went to spurs and became a transfer of the season just in 5 months? JUST HOW???? If it's not the coach then who?? Agnelli is responsible for training process? Nedved is responsible for tactics? Arrivabene is responsible for picking the formations? Cherubini wants to play with regista despite not having one? John Elkann has asked Allegri to turn Zakaria into b2b player? OR MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, it's all Allegri's fault ?
He didn't lost anyone, he did what he was supposed to do and was very unlucky.

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https://www.juventuz.com/threads/denis-zakaria.44787/page-21#post-6525192
This is Zakaria's stats for Gladbach and Juventus, so you want to tell me that somehow he forgot about how to play? OR MAYBE, just MAYBE, it's because Allegri doesn't use him as he should and trying to find a new role for him?? but why does he do it? WHY? How can a player make a switch from fucking Gladbach to Juventus and became WORSE in everything that he does on the field ? It's all the tinkerman's fault

Of course he lost him, how else did SMS score?

RUS what are you talking about, Zakaria has played barely 10 games mainly due to injuries but has done really well. He created at least 1/2 goal-scoring opportunities for himself every game and has been very unlucky to not end the season with better stats. Same thing with Vlahovic, take his penalties away and his record isn't that much worse than at Fiorentina.

I'm honestly not even going to start about Kulusevksi. This guy was absolute dogshit for 11/12 months last season and started this season equally bad. He did well in a counter-attacking Parma and is now doing decently as well in a team that is typically given a lot more space than Juventus. He was not suited for this club and it was evident that he couldn't deal with the pressure here, which mind you, is very very different than at Tottenham.

You clearly need to learn to put things into perspective. Do you remember what the attacking trio was when we played against Atalanta in that pre-season game a week before the league started? Please remind me who of those 3 have been consistently available this season. Can you imagine going into a pre-season, with a set of ideas in mind only to have those being tossed out 1 day into the season when your 30-goal striker decides he wants to leave? Then when your other key player gets a season-ending injury? Then your 3rd attacker battles with injuries all season long? Are you going to blame Allegri for all the mismanagement that has happened over the last few years and the poorly constructed squad, or is management to blame for that?

As I said, Allegri too has had his fuck-ups this season, but it's the entire club that is to blame for what transpired this season. Players, coach, and management.

 

[Ronn]

Honestly RUS I really don't understand why you are making such a big deal out of this. Yes, he was tracking Savic well until the shot, but then lost him/gave him a bit too much space, and wasn't aggressive enough attacking the ball after the rebound. SMS beat him to it and scored from a tough angle.

We ended the game with a few youngsters (Miretti, Ake, Palumbo) and some players who won't be hear next year (Sandro, Berna, Kean). Today's just about so much more than the result man.

Oh he’ll be here next year

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Of course he lost him, how else did SMS score?

RUS what are you talking about, Zakaria has played barely 10 games mainly due to injuries but has done really well. He created at least 1/2 goal-scoring opportunities for himself every game and has been very unlucky to not end the season with better stats. Same thing with Vlahovic, take his penalties away and his record isn't that much worse than at Fiorentina.

I'm honestly not even going to start about Kulusevksi. This guy was absolute dogshit for 11/12 months last season and started this season equally bad. He did well in a counter-attacking Parma and is now doing decently as well in a team that is typically given a lot more space than Juventus. He was not suited for this season and it was evident that he couldn't deal with the pressure here, which mind you, is very very different than at Tottenham.

You clearly need to learn to put things into perspective. Do you remember what the attacking trio was when we played against Atalanta in that pre-season game a week before the league started? Please remind me who of those 3 have been consistently available this season. Can you imagine going into a pre-season, with a set of ideas in mind only to have those being tossed out 1 day into the season when your 30-goal striker decides he wants to leave? Then when your other key player gets a season-ending injury? Then your 3rd attacker battles with injuries all season long? Are you going to blame Allegri for all the mismanagement that has happened over the last few years and the poorly constructed squad, or is management to blame for that?

As I said, Allegri too has had his fuck-ups this season, but it's the entire club that is to blame for what transpired this season. Players, coach, and management.

Excuses, excuses, excuses, excuses all over again, nothing new. He was using Kulusevski as second forward, he was barely used here as a starting player by Allegri, even chiesa wasn't good enough for Allegroid because of his poor defensive workrates