What's funny is there are two complete opposites here. Either praise Giach and bash Krasic or vice versa.
What makes you so confident you are right? LOL
What makes you so confident you are right? LOL
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[Serie A] JUVENTUS 1-1 Bologna (21-Sep-2011) (9 Viewers)
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We fought in second half that's true. But in first 5 minutes we were playing like last year, long balls and panic. We should have kept possession just like in first half, it's not like Alex was the reason we had very good possession in first half. But we panicked and we conceded the goal.
I was wondering if Elia were to come in for Krasic instead of Giac!!! Vucinic please guys, it's unfair to treat him like that. His first yellow was unfair then second happened within few seconds. Ref should have been kind and give him another chance, since bologna players were killing our players example tackle on Lich.
Matri was a beast. Pirlo, I'd rather say nothing about him, it's just WOW. Barzagli has been awesome so far. And Chiellini should never make a long pass. Buffon made a great save just before they scored.
I was wondering if Elia were to come in for Krasic instead of Giac!!! Vucinic please guys, it's unfair to treat him like that. His first yellow was unfair then second happened within few seconds. Ref should have been kind and give him another chance, since bologna players were killing our players example tackle on Lich.
Matri was a beast. Pirlo, I'd rather say nothing about him, it's just WOW. Barzagli has been awesome so far. And Chiellini should never make a long pass. Buffon made a great save just before they scored.
We actually played really well in the second half. With the right substitutions and a bit of luck, we really should have won.
Buffon: 5.5 - the goal wasn't his fault. It looked like he was a bit off balance, we didn't have a man on the post and the marking was poor. He made a good save after De Ceglie's mistake just before the goal too. Unfortunate. Apart from that he didn't have a great deal of involvement.
Lichtsteiner: 6.5 - played really well, and barely put a foot wrong. He was consistently better at attacking down the right than both Pepe and Krasic, even stealing the ball from Pepe at one stage, beating two defenders and putting in a good cross.
Barzagli: 6.5 - Played well, continuing the good start he's made to the season. He's been better than Chiellini for the past two matches.
Chiellini: 5 - his marking was suspect, and he tried to do a bit too much. Made some good tackles, but also some pretty stupid ones.
De Ceglie: 6.5 (-2) - he was actually doing really well up until his bonehead mistake. He was covering his man well, getting involved in the attack, winning fouls and putting in good crosses. But if you make a mistake like that, all of that goes out the window. Why the heck would you try controlling it with your chest when there's a player breathing down your neck, instead of heading it back to the keeper?
Krasic: 5.5 - not crap, but a somewhat lacking performance, at a time when he really needed to step it up. Had some decent interchanges, particularly with Vucinic, but overall he looked very rusty, couldn't even use his bread and butter moves and kept losing the ball or dribbling it out. Had a good shot at goal that brought out a save, and was unlucky not to score the winner.
Marchisio: 3.5 - I didn't think this was possible, but he played even worse than against Siena. Failed to impose himself, barely made a forward pass all game, constantly screwed up our attacks with bad touches or hesitation. The criticism of Marchisio is quickly turning from "he's invisible" to "he just plain sucks". And this is coming from someone who likes the player. That weird toe poke/chip that went 5 metres up in the air and out for a throw-in summed up his performance.
Pirlo: 8.5 - pure class. Got the assist with a cheeky quick free kick, and pulled all the strings all match. He set up about 3-4 more good scoring opportunities, slowed the game down and took control when we were under pressure, lost possession I think once in the whole match (right at the end) and made about 15 passes that made me say 'wow' out loud.
Pepe: 5 - typical Pepe performance. Worked hard tracking back as always, but was useless in attack. Someone needs to tell him to stop trying to dribble past his man, because he can't do it. He even tried beating two defenders at one stage. His crosses were mostly awful throughout the match. It's really sad that he's still playing 90 minutes for us.
Del Piero: 5 - had a good chance right at the start and showed some good understanding with Vucinic, but didn't get to do much else since he was subbed off at half-time.
Vucinic: 6.5 (-1.5) - like De Ceglie, he was playing well before his calamitous mistake. He was getting involved in all of our attacks, putting in some really nice passes, working well with Del Piero and Krasic, and of course scored the goal. To be fair to him the first yellow he got wasn't a yellow at all, but to make that kind of challenge, just before half time, when you're already on a booking, in a non-dangerous position, was just pure stupidity.
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Matri: 7 - Who called me an idiot in the live match thread for saying that Matri was a better choice for lone striker than Quag? I was really impressed with Matri. He received the ball well up front by himself, fought well, held it up, didn't lose possession and always managed to lay it off to a supporting player. Unfortunately he didn't get a lot of scoring opportunities, and the one he did get was quite a difficult one.
Giaccherini: 6 - it's not his fault, but he's just not good enough. He's fast and works hard, but he lacks creativity, and his dribbling and passing are atrocious. To his credit he did put in a couple of good crosses, but you can just see from watching him that he's just not that talented.
Vidal: 5 - didn't do much, but then again he was played at LB. If this continues, Vidal is going to seriously regretting joining us instead of Bayern. Still, he made some bad challenges, and was pretty sloppy with his control and the couple of passes he made. He did put in two good tackles.
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Conte: 4.5 - the team played well in the second half and overall I like the mentality and fighting spirit he's instilled in the team, but in the match itself his selection/subs were all wrong. I can understand starting out the match with Pepe, but persisting with Marchisio, Pepe and Giaccherini is idiotic. When he subbed Arturo on for De Ceglie I thought he was showing some balls by playing a 3-5-1 and dominating the midfield, but he just slotted Vidal in at LB. Vidal should have been subbed on for Marchisio much earlier, and Krasic should have been replaced by Esti or Elia.
Referee: 3 - got it all wrong. Gave two stupid yellow cards to Vucinic and Pepe early on, allowed our goal which shouldn't have stood because the ball was moving when Pirlo took the free kick, and worst of all he totally screwed up by not sending Vucinic off and just giving him a warning, then pulling out the yellow card about ten seconds later under pressure from the Bologna players and coaching staff, and presumably the man on the radio. He should be demoted to Serie C for a few weeks.
Bonucci: 10 - stood up for the team when Bologna were being tools. Provided the best laugh of the game, except at the end when three players were down and it looked like this:
Buffon: 5.5 - the goal wasn't his fault. It looked like he was a bit off balance, we didn't have a man on the post and the marking was poor. He made a good save after De Ceglie's mistake just before the goal too. Unfortunate. Apart from that he didn't have a great deal of involvement.
Lichtsteiner: 6.5 - played really well, and barely put a foot wrong. He was consistently better at attacking down the right than both Pepe and Krasic, even stealing the ball from Pepe at one stage, beating two defenders and putting in a good cross.
Barzagli: 6.5 - Played well, continuing the good start he's made to the season. He's been better than Chiellini for the past two matches.
Chiellini: 5 - his marking was suspect, and he tried to do a bit too much. Made some good tackles, but also some pretty stupid ones.
De Ceglie: 6.5 (-2) - he was actually doing really well up until his bonehead mistake. He was covering his man well, getting involved in the attack, winning fouls and putting in good crosses. But if you make a mistake like that, all of that goes out the window. Why the heck would you try controlling it with your chest when there's a player breathing down your neck, instead of heading it back to the keeper?
Krasic: 5.5 - not crap, but a somewhat lacking performance, at a time when he really needed to step it up. Had some decent interchanges, particularly with Vucinic, but overall he looked very rusty, couldn't even use his bread and butter moves and kept losing the ball or dribbling it out. Had a good shot at goal that brought out a save, and was unlucky not to score the winner.
Marchisio: 3.5 - I didn't think this was possible, but he played even worse than against Siena. Failed to impose himself, barely made a forward pass all game, constantly screwed up our attacks with bad touches or hesitation. The criticism of Marchisio is quickly turning from "he's invisible" to "he just plain sucks". And this is coming from someone who likes the player. That weird toe poke/chip that went 5 metres up in the air and out for a throw-in summed up his performance.
Pirlo: 8.5 - pure class. Got the assist with a cheeky quick free kick, and pulled all the strings all match. He set up about 3-4 more good scoring opportunities, slowed the game down and took control when we were under pressure, lost possession I think once in the whole match (right at the end) and made about 15 passes that made me say 'wow' out loud.
Pepe: 5 - typical Pepe performance. Worked hard tracking back as always, but was useless in attack. Someone needs to tell him to stop trying to dribble past his man, because he can't do it. He even tried beating two defenders at one stage. His crosses were mostly awful throughout the match. It's really sad that he's still playing 90 minutes for us.
Del Piero: 5 - had a good chance right at the start and showed some good understanding with Vucinic, but didn't get to do much else since he was subbed off at half-time.
Vucinic: 6.5 (-1.5) - like De Ceglie, he was playing well before his calamitous mistake. He was getting involved in all of our attacks, putting in some really nice passes, working well with Del Piero and Krasic, and of course scored the goal. To be fair to him the first yellow he got wasn't a yellow at all, but to make that kind of challenge, just before half time, when you're already on a booking, in a non-dangerous position, was just pure stupidity.
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Matri: 7 - Who called me an idiot in the live match thread for saying that Matri was a better choice for lone striker than Quag? I was really impressed with Matri. He received the ball well up front by himself, fought well, held it up, didn't lose possession and always managed to lay it off to a supporting player. Unfortunately he didn't get a lot of scoring opportunities, and the one he did get was quite a difficult one.
Giaccherini: 6 - it's not his fault, but he's just not good enough. He's fast and works hard, but he lacks creativity, and his dribbling and passing are atrocious. To his credit he did put in a couple of good crosses, but you can just see from watching him that he's just not that talented.
Vidal: 5 - didn't do much, but then again he was played at LB. If this continues, Vidal is going to seriously regretting joining us instead of Bayern. Still, he made some bad challenges, and was pretty sloppy with his control and the couple of passes he made. He did put in two good tackles.
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Conte: 4.5 - the team played well in the second half and overall I like the mentality and fighting spirit he's instilled in the team, but in the match itself his selection/subs were all wrong. I can understand starting out the match with Pepe, but persisting with Marchisio, Pepe and Giaccherini is idiotic. When he subbed Arturo on for De Ceglie I thought he was showing some balls by playing a 3-5-1 and dominating the midfield, but he just slotted Vidal in at LB. Vidal should have been subbed on for Marchisio much earlier, and Krasic should have been replaced by Esti or Elia.
Referee: 3 - got it all wrong. Gave two stupid yellow cards to Vucinic and Pepe early on, allowed our goal which shouldn't have stood because the ball was moving when Pirlo took the free kick, and worst of all he totally screwed up by not sending Vucinic off and just giving him a warning, then pulling out the yellow card about ten seconds later under pressure from the Bologna players and coaching staff, and presumably the man on the radio. He should be demoted to Serie C for a few weeks.
Bonucci: 10 - stood up for the team when Bologna were being tools. Provided the best laugh of the game, except at the end when three players were down and it looked like this:
Giach barely crossed the ball at all. He looks like the least confident crosser of the ball I have seen in that position always choosing to center it to an under pressure Pirlo or Marchisio. I can barely remember one of his crosses tonight but I do remember plenty of times where he got himself into crossing positions, only to pass it back to midfield. Krasic dribbled it out what, once or twice at the beginning of his first start? He got himself into space plenty of times and had two shots on goal. His runs were well timed and dangerous. If Giach made crosses, they probably didn't end up with chances on goal or they would have been noticeable. Giach worked his arse off and I give him that but he is just not confident he doesn't look like a winger to me.
Well, most of the things has been said. The result is extremely disappointing especially for what indirectly caused it but seeing this team fight for three points the way they did is refreshing. Gillet probably played the game of his life and it was impossible to put anything past him tonight yet we kept on testing him to the limits. Even though we had the upper hand in the first half, I thought we were weak in the middle but thanks to Pirlo we were able to deliver the balls forward.
I don't understand the substitutions and even of Matri and Giaccherini did more than I expected, I will not say that Quagliarella or Elia would have done better. Theoretically they would have but we cannot tell. The Vidal sub seems out of hands and it was just forced on Conte.
For the third match in a row Barzagli has been surprisingly brilliant and Pirlo closer to being totally dependant on him which can be extremely worrying.
Buffon 6
Lichtsteiner 7
Barzagli 7
Chiellini 5.5
De Ceglie 4.5
Krasic 6
Marchisio 5
Pirlo 7
Pepe 6
Del Piero 5
Vucinic 6.5
Matri 6.5
Giaccherini 6.5
Vidal 5.5
I don't understand the substitutions and even of Matri and Giaccherini did more than I expected, I will not say that Quagliarella or Elia would have done better. Theoretically they would have but we cannot tell. The Vidal sub seems out of hands and it was just forced on Conte.
For the third match in a row Barzagli has been surprisingly brilliant and Pirlo closer to being totally dependant on him which can be extremely worrying.
Buffon 6
Lichtsteiner 7
Barzagli 7
Chiellini 5.5
De Ceglie 4.5
Krasic 6
Marchisio 5
Pirlo 7
Pepe 6
Del Piero 5
Vucinic 6.5
Matri 6.5
Giaccherini 6.5
Vidal 5.5
Ok from what i've seen:
Conte deserves a big 8 today cause you can really tell he can motivate the players, even when they are with 10 men they play attacking football and he substituted a defender (De Ceglie) for a midfielder (Vidal) which tells me we are gone end high on the ranking this year.
And for all the Giaccherini haters over here! He played a very very good game. I give him a big 8 as well and he proved to be better than Krasic and Elia at the moment with his speed and agression.
Krasic is it i'm worried about. Starting to get the feeling he doesn't fit at Juve and didn't played good again. A 5.
Vucinic fucked up the result for us today cause without him tackling the Bologna player we sure as hell would have won this game. But he spoiled it. We don't need any unprofessional players like that at Juve. (Maybe at Roma). He needs to be put on the stands and let's fill it in with Quagliarella. Vucinic get's a 2. The goal he made i could have scored also so that doesn't mean shit.
The big man of the match was Pirlo. There's no point of discribing his play today because words aren't enough. He did everything great and really makes this squad look classy and strong. He get's a big 9.
The defense was good and stabil. Didn't gave anything away besides that mistake of De Ceglie where the goal from Bologna came from.
Sunday we should beat Catania when we play like this. I'm glad Vucinic isn't gone play and we can give Elia a chance cause Krasic is not the player we need.
Conte deserves a big 8 today cause you can really tell he can motivate the players, even when they are with 10 men they play attacking football and he substituted a defender (De Ceglie) for a midfielder (Vidal) which tells me we are gone end high on the ranking this year.
And for all the Giaccherini haters over here! He played a very very good game. I give him a big 8 as well and he proved to be better than Krasic and Elia at the moment with his speed and agression.
Krasic is it i'm worried about. Starting to get the feeling he doesn't fit at Juve and didn't played good again. A 5.
Vucinic fucked up the result for us today cause without him tackling the Bologna player we sure as hell would have won this game. But he spoiled it. We don't need any unprofessional players like that at Juve. (Maybe at Roma). He needs to be put on the stands and let's fill it in with Quagliarella. Vucinic get's a 2. The goal he made i could have scored also so that doesn't mean shit.
The big man of the match was Pirlo. There's no point of discribing his play today because words aren't enough. He did everything great and really makes this squad look classy and strong. He get's a big 9.
The defense was good and stabil. Didn't gave anything away besides that mistake of De Ceglie where the goal from Bologna came from.
Sunday we should beat Catania when we play like this. I'm glad Vucinic isn't gone play and we can give Elia a chance cause Krasic is not the player we need.
I almost completely agree with all of these, Graham. (Including Bonucci. 
) But I disagree on Conte -- I'd give him a 6 or more for how we played, though his starters/subs made me think less of him.
This was a good match with fight and aggression and, IMO, overall we played well. It's only the result that was a major disappointment, as we should have won this.
Positives were:
- We had 61% possession with a man down
- Pirlo was sublime
- Bologna got few decent looks at goal
- Good aggressive play for the win, despite the result
Negatives were:
- Vucinic's heads-up goal undone by a terrible decision to slide-tackle that far back from the Juve goal with a yellow already on him
- De Ceglie started battling strong but then completely fell apart defensively after halftime
- Chiellini couldn't mark better on the Bologna goal
- Marchisio was a ghost again
- The result flatters Bologna and and win would have been a fairer result
- Conte had the team with the right aggression and mentality, but none of us will know why Giac plays while the likes of Elia, etc., sit on the bench
) But I disagree on Conte -- I'd give him a 6 or more for how we played, though his starters/subs made me think less of him.This was a good match with fight and aggression and, IMO, overall we played well. It's only the result that was a major disappointment, as we should have won this.
Positives were:
- We had 61% possession with a man down
- Pirlo was sublime
- Bologna got few decent looks at goal
- Good aggressive play for the win, despite the result
Negatives were:
- Vucinic's heads-up goal undone by a terrible decision to slide-tackle that far back from the Juve goal with a yellow already on him
- De Ceglie started battling strong but then completely fell apart defensively after halftime
- Chiellini couldn't mark better on the Bologna goal
- Marchisio was a ghost again
- The result flatters Bologna and and win would have been a fairer result
- Conte had the team with the right aggression and mentality, but none of us will know why Giac plays while the likes of Elia, etc., sit on the bench
