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Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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Its media bullshit.
Do you see any way out of this mess for Serie A? You and I have been around following this league for decades now, and that's why I'm asking.

If I do a retrospective, the problem might be located in the early 2000s, though I'll put it a little later in the mid 2000s, right before and during calciopoli. In the 1990s serie A was dominant not just with trophies, but because its teams could easily keep hold of their stars and buy the other leagues' top-stars. Then in 2001 and 2002 two shocking transfers happened when serie A lost both Zidane and the old Ronaldo. Big losses, sure, but the best teams were still very able to stay just as strong by buying the best players from Lazio, Fiorentina, Parma (say Rui Costa, Buffon, Nedved, Nesta, Crespo, Thuram etc.)

Then when Milan were pretty much forced to sell Shevchenko in 2006, and replaced him with Ricardo Oliveira, it became clear that the league can't keep track with the nouveau riche. Calciopoli only speed-up the process. Then year after year, the league wasn't only losing its main stars (Kaka, Ibrahimovic, Thiago Silva, Pogba, Vidal) but the biggest teams were unable anymore to comfortably buy every top player from the smaller teams (Cavani, Alisson, Salah, Jorginho).

Then Cristiano Ronaldo arrived. We managed to out-muscle top team(s) for de Ligt and Inter bought Lukaku for 80 million. It looked like serie A is really coming back. Not there yet, but going forward, with potential to reach the best leagues in some 4-5 summers. This summer Italy won the Euros.

And then this shock. Inter and Milan managed to lose Donnarumma, Lukaku, Hakimi and God knows who else is leaving, while the best teams are pennyless and can't even afford De Paul, Romero, Locatelli and similar players. Right when we thought that serie A could be back, it fell even further behind, without prospect to fight back. Looks like the Super League was the only solution to at least save the biggest teams. Now that's ruined too :(
 

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rainhard

Senior Member
May 5, 2004
4,365
That ads is ruin because the inclusion of Immobile there, even Buffon scream at his inclusion in that ads
How you can go from the real superstar like Del Piero, Baggio, Maradona, Maldini, Pirlo, Totti, Batistuta to fuckin Immobile
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
Do you see any way out of this mess for Serie A? You and I have been around following this league for decades now, and that's why I'm asking.

If I do a retrospective, the problem might be located in the early 2000s, though I'll put it a little later in the mid 2000s, right before and during calciopoli. In the 1990s serie A was dominant not just with trophies, but because its teams could easily keep hold of their stars and buy the other leagues' top-stars. Then in 2001 and 2002 two shocking transfers happened when serie A lost both Zidane and the old Ronaldo. Big losses, sure, but the best teams were still very able to stay just as strong by buying the best players from Lazio, Fiorentina, Parma (say Rui Costa, Buffon, Nedved, Nesta, Crespo, Thuram etc.)

Then when Milan were pretty much forced to sell Shevchenko in 2006, and replaced him with Ricardo Oliveira, it became clear that the league can't keep track with the nouveau riche. Calciopoli only speed-up the process. Then year after year, the league wasn't only losing its main stars (Kaka, Ibrahimovic, Thiago Silva, Pogba, Vidal) but the biggest teams were unable anymore to comfortably buy every top player from the smaller teams (Cavani, Alisson, Salah, Jorginho).

Then Cristiano Ronaldo arrived. We managed to out-muscle top team(s) for de Ligt and Inter bought Lukaku for 80 million. It looked like serie A is really coming back. Not there yet, but going forward, with potential to reach the best leagues in some 4-5 summers. This summer Italy won the Euros.

And then this shock. Inter and Milan managed to lose Donnarumma, Lukaku, Hakimi and God knows who else is leaving, while the best teams are pennyless and can't even afford De Paul, Romero, Locatelli and similar players. Right when we thought that serie A could be back, it fell even further behind, without prospect to fight back. Looks like the Super League was the only solution to at least save the biggest teams. Now that's ruined too :(
:tup:
 

The Quazis

Senior Member
Dec 21, 2012
5,577
Do you see any way out of this mess for Serie A? You and I have been around following this league for decades now, and that's why I'm asking.

If I do a retrospective, the problem might be located in the early 2000s, though I'll put it a little later in the mid 2000s, right before and during calciopoli. In the 1990s serie A was dominant not just with trophies, but because its teams could easily keep hold of their stars and buy the other leagues' top-stars. Then in 2001 and 2002 two shocking transfers happened when serie A lost both Zidane and the old Ronaldo. Big losses, sure, but the best teams were still very able to stay just as strong by buying the best players from Lazio, Fiorentina, Parma (say Rui Costa, Buffon, Nedved, Nesta, Crespo, Thuram etc.)

Then when Milan were pretty much forced to sell Shevchenko in 2006, and replaced him with Ricardo Oliveira, it became clear that the league can't keep track with the nouveau riche. Calciopoli only speed-up the process. Then year after year, the league wasn't only losing its main stars (Kaka, Ibrahimovic, Thiago Silva, Pogba, Vidal) but the biggest teams were unable anymore to comfortably buy every top player from the smaller teams (Cavani, Alisson, Salah, Jorginho).

Then Cristiano Ronaldo arrived. We managed to out-muscle top team(s) for de Ligt and Inter bought Lukaku for 80 million. It looked like serie A is really coming back. Not there yet, but going forward, with potential to reach the best leagues in some 4-5 summers. This summer Italy won the Euros.

And then this shock. Inter and Milan managed to lose Donnarumma, Lukaku, Hakimi and God knows who else is leaving, while the best teams are pennyless and can't even afford De Paul, Romero, Locatelli and similar players. Right when we thought that serie A could be back, it fell even further behind, without prospect to fight back. Looks like the Super League was the only solution to at least save the biggest teams. Now that's ruined too :(
I believe the problem is bureaucracy in Italy. You have Fiorentina, Milan, Inter, Roma with new owners who wanted to build modern stadiums to generate more income and they all failed miserably for some silly reasons.
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
Administrator
May 27, 2007
89,023
I think there's a huge difference between this situation right now and Calciopoli. Players from our team were pretty much up for grabs, we were going to Serie B and we were not in power to negotiate imo.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,390
I think there's a huge difference between this situation right now and Calciopoli. Players from our team were pretty much up for grabs, we were going to Serie B and we were not in power to negotiate imo.
There is also another difference, with Calciopoli the disaster was forced upon us. Now it is we who are forcing the disaster on ourselves.
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
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May 27, 2007
89,023
There is also another difference, with Calciopoli the disaster was forced upon us. Now it is we who are forcing the disaster on ourselves.
I don't really believe that we are forcing it on ourselves. We sure made some really bad moves, but I can't recall any summer like this one. It's not just us but it's like teams are literally dead (or scared). I still think an expectation of another corona wave throughout the year is holding them all back.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,390
I don't really believe that we are forcing it on ourselves. We sure made some really bad moves, but I can't recall any summer like this one. It's not just us but it's like teams are literally dead (or scared). I still think an expectation of another corona wave throughout the year is holding them all back.
I am not talking solely on this summer. We have been making odd decisions and random choices ever since Marotta left.
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
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May 27, 2007
89,023
I am not talking solely on this summer. We have been making odd decisions and random choices ever since Marotta left.
Can't argue wtih that. Not only we signed bad players but we offered stupid contracts. We've got oursevles in that mess surely. But I just find this summer mercato way too weird for previous standards, I actually have no idea what's going on and the only excuse I see/find in the covid situation. :boh:
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,390
Can't argue wtih that. Not only we signed bad players but we offered stupid contracts. We've got oursevles in that mess surely. But I just find this summer mercato way too weird for previous standards, I actually have no idea what's going on and the only excuse I see/find in the covid situation. :boh:
You might have a point in the extra caution being because of the pandemic. We will see if this will benefit in the future or not.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,888
Inter, while in deep debt, seem to know how sell their best players. Secco sold our stars for peanuts when we got demoted after Calciopoli.
Seriously, selling Lukaku for 115 million? That is insane!

And taking into account that
a) COVID is still here
&
b) everyone & their mother knows Inter absolutely have to sell ASAP
makes it an even more dazzling deal.

How in the hell did they pull this one of? FFS, they made a profit on him. :shocked:
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,514
Seriously, selling Lukaku for 115 million? That is insane!

And taking into account that
a) COVID is still here
&
b) everyone & their mother knows Inter absolutely have to sell ASAP
makes it an even more dazzling deal.

How in the hell did they pull this one of? FFS, they made a profit on him. :shocked:
:beppe:
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,984
Seriously, selling Lukaku for 115 million? That is insane!

And taking into account that
a) COVID is still here
&
b) everyone & their mother knows Inter absolutely have to sell ASAP
makes it an even more dazzling deal.

How in the hell did they pull this one of? FFS, they made a profit on him. :shocked:
I think when a player like that becomes available and the buying team has no financial restraints then the deal gets done. Chelski know that he guarantees them 20+ goals, something none of their other strikers do. He could be the difference between them winning the league or not.
 

Akshen

Senior Member
Aug 27, 2010
10,671
EPL team pays 35m for fucking Danny Ings, who is 29 and has 55 goals in 140 games in PL , so paying 115m for 28 yo Lukaku in his prime doesnt look that bad.
Its fucked up, yeah, but Inter had the best moment to montize him - he was considered Top3 CF last season and scored some goals at Euros. Chelsea imo will regret it but really there were no alternatives besides Haland.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,888
I think when a player like that becomes available and the buying team has no financial restraints then the deal gets done. Chelski know that he guarantees them 20+ goals, something none of their other strikers do. He could be the difference between them winning the league or not.
Maybe, but considering the situation Inter is in, I would have expected the transfer fee being significantly lower. I think it just annoys me that Inter got 2 great seasons out of him & then managed to sell him for a substantial profit.
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
Administrator
May 27, 2007
89,023
Maybe, but considering the situation Inter is in, I would have expected the transfer fee being significantly lower. I think it just annoys me that Inter got 2 great seasons out of him & then managed to sell him for a substantial profit.
Exactly the same with us and Higuain. Oh, wait, no. Exactly the same with us and Ronaldo. Wait... no. Exactly the same with us and Vidal. Ummm... no.
 
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