Serie A 2020-21 (14 Viewers)
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hope long covid hits those cunts hard.
You talk about the call that VAR canceled?! I can say its not a clear penalty.
Milan are not playing well but Torino are absolutely worthless despite Milan`s best efforts to invite Torino into the game.
Sometime I wonder how Torino are not bottom of the table.. Most of the relegation strugglers play a better football
Milan are not playing well but Torino are absolutely worthless despite Milan`s best efforts to invite Torino into the game.
Sometime I wonder how Torino are not bottom of the table.. Most of the relegation strugglers play a better football
Went to their mercato thread and actually found a decent post:
Beppe burning money there
Marotta + Conte, financial implications, money wasted and other mercato shit
1) Spalletti is still under contract and costs us around 9m annually (4m for his salary and 500k for the rest of the staff, plus the tax). Two years running, so there's an 18m hole.
2) Gave Manchester United almost every penny they requested for Romelu Lukaku who even abandoned his club and was training for his former Belgian club at the time. Possibly 20m wasted here due to bad negotiations. And definitely lost one month of mercato activity due to this fixation, he then slipped as he agreed terms with Juventus so we pursued Cavani, only to return for Lukaku and pay the full amount once the Dybala part of the deal collapsed. Unnecessary tripling of the salary of Lukaku is excluded here.
3) Sold Icardi for much less than his value, due to the poor handling of the situation. The funds also came one year too late and even less than the already low clause agreed.
4) Gave Nainggolan away and deprived us of a potentially helpful player, paying him to play for Cagliari around 4m per year and cost us points, so we didn't even put a clause where he couldn't play against us! Now we have a demotivated player for whom we also wasted around 4m to keep on the sidelines, only to hand him back to Cagliari for the rest of the season. And potentially play against us once more.
5) Did not manage to sell Perisic despite three attempts. At least we did not waste money there, but we gave Bayern a rotation player that helped them win the treble and we still haven't figured out how to utilize him properly under the new era, and we kept him on despite opening Pandora's box in the first two months of Marotta's tenure.
6) Failed to offload Joao Mario. Costs a lot in our books but overall did not cost us much money to send him around.
7) Wasted one month to sell Gabriel Barbosa for the same price that was being initially rejected. Around 0.5 loss due to Barbosa's January salary....
8) We are still paying for half of Candreva's salary, to play against us. It's a loan + obligation deal. Around 3m cost.
9) Diego Godin debacle. Cost us around 8m to get rid of him.
10) Valentino Lazaro. 25m down the drain + around 2m for his salary while at Inter.
11) We are paying Ashley Young 3m a year. Not really that cheap. We've also spent a lot of money in the 2nd half of last season to get players like Moses and
12) We have the following [net] contracts sitting on the bench or in the stands:
- Eriksen 7.5m
- Sanchez 7m
- Perisic 5m
- Kolarov 3m
- Vecino 2.5m
- Pinamonti 2m
- Darmian 2m
- D'Ambrosio 2m
- Ranocchia 1.8m
That's roughly 33m net per season and somewhere around 50m per annum, inlcuding taxes.
Just to compare, our starting players are:
- Handanovic 3.2m
- Skriniar 3m
- De Vrij 3.8m
- Bastoni 1.5m
- Hakimi 5m
- Young 3m
- Vidal 6.5m
- Barella 2.5m
- Brozovic 3.5m
- Martinez 2m
- Lukaku 8m
That's 42m. The ratio of starters vs unused [and overpaid rotation] players looks really bad. For every euro we spend on a starting player, we are also spending almost 80 cents for a reserve or unused player. And that's only regarding players that are still here. If we include Godin, Candreva, Nainggolan and the definite rotation players such as Gagliardini and Sensi, we are paying more for non-starters than we are for everyone else.
That's shithousery.
Marotta is directly responsible for the majority of these deals as the supervising manager during the time the deals were completed.
13) Failed to progress to Champions League round of 16, twice in a row. Last season we were lucky we had the remainder of our European fixtures after the end of the season and reached the EL final which compensated to an extent for that. This year, pure loss. Both in pedigree and prestige, and in monetary terms.
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The list could go on and be more detailed.
I'm getting dizzy just trying to count how much money has been wasted here.
Sure, Suning has been there before with the Joao Mario and Gabriel Barbosa transfers and we've wasted money plenty of times, but this was supposed to be the time for prudence and return to relevance. We are not prudent and we are still irrelevant in Europe. And we wasted tons of money in pursuit of this.
It's 9 digits of wasted euros by the way. The debate is whether it's a 1 or a 2 in front of the other 8 digits... Not overspent, but genuinely wasted money!
1) Spalletti is still under contract and costs us around 9m annually (4m for his salary and 500k for the rest of the staff, plus the tax). Two years running, so there's an 18m hole.
2) Gave Manchester United almost every penny they requested for Romelu Lukaku who even abandoned his club and was training for his former Belgian club at the time. Possibly 20m wasted here due to bad negotiations. And definitely lost one month of mercato activity due to this fixation, he then slipped as he agreed terms with Juventus so we pursued Cavani, only to return for Lukaku and pay the full amount once the Dybala part of the deal collapsed. Unnecessary tripling of the salary of Lukaku is excluded here.
3) Sold Icardi for much less than his value, due to the poor handling of the situation. The funds also came one year too late and even less than the already low clause agreed.
4) Gave Nainggolan away and deprived us of a potentially helpful player, paying him to play for Cagliari around 4m per year and cost us points, so we didn't even put a clause where he couldn't play against us! Now we have a demotivated player for whom we also wasted around 4m to keep on the sidelines, only to hand him back to Cagliari for the rest of the season. And potentially play against us once more.
5) Did not manage to sell Perisic despite three attempts. At least we did not waste money there, but we gave Bayern a rotation player that helped them win the treble and we still haven't figured out how to utilize him properly under the new era, and we kept him on despite opening Pandora's box in the first two months of Marotta's tenure.
6) Failed to offload Joao Mario. Costs a lot in our books but overall did not cost us much money to send him around.
7) Wasted one month to sell Gabriel Barbosa for the same price that was being initially rejected. Around 0.5 loss due to Barbosa's January salary....
8) We are still paying for half of Candreva's salary, to play against us. It's a loan + obligation deal. Around 3m cost.
9) Diego Godin debacle. Cost us around 8m to get rid of him.
10) Valentino Lazaro. 25m down the drain + around 2m for his salary while at Inter.
11) We are paying Ashley Young 3m a year. Not really that cheap. We've also spent a lot of money in the 2nd half of last season to get players like Moses and
12) We have the following [net] contracts sitting on the bench or in the stands:
- Eriksen 7.5m
- Sanchez 7m
- Perisic 5m
- Kolarov 3m
- Vecino 2.5m
- Pinamonti 2m
- Darmian 2m
- D'Ambrosio 2m
- Ranocchia 1.8m
That's roughly 33m net per season and somewhere around 50m per annum, inlcuding taxes.
Just to compare, our starting players are:
- Handanovic 3.2m
- Skriniar 3m
- De Vrij 3.8m
- Bastoni 1.5m
- Hakimi 5m
- Young 3m
- Vidal 6.5m
- Barella 2.5m
- Brozovic 3.5m
- Martinez 2m
- Lukaku 8m
That's 42m. The ratio of starters vs unused [and overpaid rotation] players looks really bad. For every euro we spend on a starting player, we are also spending almost 80 cents for a reserve or unused player. And that's only regarding players that are still here. If we include Godin, Candreva, Nainggolan and the definite rotation players such as Gagliardini and Sensi, we are paying more for non-starters than we are for everyone else.
That's shithousery.
Marotta is directly responsible for the majority of these deals as the supervising manager during the time the deals were completed.
13) Failed to progress to Champions League round of 16, twice in a row. Last season we were lucky we had the remainder of our European fixtures after the end of the season and reached the EL final which compensated to an extent for that. This year, pure loss. Both in pedigree and prestige, and in monetary terms.
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The list could go on and be more detailed.
I'm getting dizzy just trying to count how much money has been wasted here.
Sure, Suning has been there before with the Joao Mario and Gabriel Barbosa transfers and we've wasted money plenty of times, but this was supposed to be the time for prudence and return to relevance. We are not prudent and we are still irrelevant in Europe. And we wasted tons of money in pursuit of this.
It's 9 digits of wasted euros by the way. The debate is whether it's a 1 or a 2 in front of the other 8 digits... Not overspent, but genuinely wasted money!
Beppe burning money there
Yeah but its not exactly like that as Tonali didnt exactly got in his way but more like running close and Verdi despite not being able to shoot tried it anyway.
It wouldnt matter much as Torino would have lost regardless but Tonali is now injured and Milan could have a serious problem as they`ll have to play Calabria as a midfielder (like against us).
Ibra is back for Milan but honestly Milan needed him before they became a team but now I think Zlatan might slow down Milan as they tend to play different with him and in a more predictable way IMO.
I do expect Milan to lose some points in the next few games but not against a team like Torino...
What is more worrying for me is - We can catch them and Inter and even win the league (like we have against Napoli) but we need to get into focus and get that only win attitude like before as quality wise we are miles ahead of both teams.
It wouldnt matter much as Torino would have lost regardless but Tonali is now injured and Milan could have a serious problem as they`ll have to play Calabria as a midfielder (like against us).
Ibra is back for Milan but honestly Milan needed him before they became a team but now I think Zlatan might slow down Milan as they tend to play different with him and in a more predictable way IMO.
I do expect Milan to lose some points in the next few games but not against a team like Torino...
What is more worrying for me is - We can catch them and Inter and even win the league (like we have against Napoli) but we need to get into focus and get that only win attitude like before as quality wise we are miles ahead of both teams.
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