[Seria A] Ascoli- Juventus (7 Viewers)

THE CHAMPIONS

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2006
1,281
Don Bes said:
greg i agree on all your counts except on nedved.

i hadnt seen him move so much in a long time. he was winning a lot of tackels and even though he wasnt as influenctial on attack as we like him to be it was fine because camo picked up the slack. i m thinkin it could be downhill from here for nedved. he got some confidence back.
I agree tottaly man in the 1st half Nedved was running like crazy he was everywhere & he was always the one to match the midfield with the attack but sadly a player like Nedved cant play many years more coz the kind of effort he does will be much lower & he is all about effort BUT I only wish smthing PLEASE MAKE US SEE UR TRADEMARKS SHOTS Iwont forget the shot against Madrid in the semi of the champions 2003 or the shot against Holland with the Cheks in the euro that hit the crossbar from after the half pich I really iss the shots if he could manage one every 3 games I will be more than Hapyy.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Dominic said:
yet I still feel Thuram could've intercepted Comotto's crosslby getting in front of Ferrante. Though I guess it's just a matter of perspective and interpretation.
it really is a matter of perspective and interpretation, so i feel the need to explain my self,
i used to play as LB and i have my personal exp on defending,
i was very good on calculating the ball traiectory and on man to man marking,
i know the best way to stop one attacker is to forbid him the contact with the ball from the very beginning,
BUT as a winger my duty most of the time was to guard a space not a player,
so were Cap's orders now,when a defender doesnt pay full attention on one attacker then he can hardly cover the distance betweem them in a dangerous moment and intercept a ball getting his way, he has to stop him after the contact with a ball and then risk to commit foul wich is in some cases worst than a goal,
IMO Ferrante was the most dangerous Ascoli player and Cap sould have put a player on him,(but he hates man to man marking) this was a tactical error/detail Thuram paid.

Another thing is that on a similar case of 2 attackers running with a ball and a defender between them,
there is always the way to precalculate the position of the players
and send the ball to meet the person behind the first,
sending the ball past the player closer(defender) of the crosser
where he(defender) cant reach it using the current speed
and that was exactly the case here,
Thuram covered the direct line between the two Ascoli players,
the cross sould be beyond Thuram reach,
not too far to other side, Zebina controled
and neither too close to the keeper(thats why DP didnt scored in similar cases)
this was just a perfect pass, there was no way our players could reach the ball
and they didnt have the option to bring down the player either,
as Thuram cleverly did hundreds of times in the past,
because Ferrante was in a firing position.
So thats why the best solution is,
to stop such a cross to happen at all
and that was Zambro's fault here,
i blame him, as i would blame my self in a similar case,
that winger was free to get to a good position for the cross,
he had all the time to do it as it sould
and he did it perfectly.Camo did a similar to Treze
but as a pass that was even harder.
Zambro wasnt there because he was surprised
and he was surprised because one of his teammates(Vieira or Nedved)did a mistake, a wrong pass,
that eventually costed one goal to our team,

thats why football is a team play, one player alone cant win a game but he cant loose it either,
his efforts might win the day but his mistakes might lead to disaster too...
defenders are the most underrated players in the game IMO,
they can save the day 10times(like Thuram did today)
but people will only remember the goal, the one who scored it(it doesnt matter he got owned 10times to do it, Inzaghi)
and the one who let it happen,(keepers often pay the bill)
well i judge everything...
and in my eyes Thuram did 10 individual positive contributions for the one colective/tactical mistake
and as long noone can dribble him i trust him...
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
Sir Sebastian said:
It's titles "DP ain't a thug" :D



You see, capello, tupac, snoop dogg, zlatan, usher, eminem, and ludacris are all thugs and gangstas, dp is just a wannabe who gets his ass benched :p

Even Usher is a thug? :lol:
 

Tifoso

Sempre e solo Juve
Aug 12, 2005
5,162
Cronios said:
it really is a matter of perspective and interpretation, so i feel the need to explain my self,
i used to play as LB and i have my personal exp on defending,
i was very good on calculating the ball traiectory and on man to man marking,
i know the best way to stop one attacker is to forbid him the contact with the ball from the very beginning,
BUT as a winger my duty most of the time was to guard a space not a player,
so were Cap's orders now,when a defender doesnt pay full attention on one attacker then he can hardly cover the distance betweem them in a dangerous moment and intercept a ball getting his way, he has to stop him after the contact with a ball and then risk to commit foul wich is in some cases worst than a goal,
IMO Ferrante was the most dangerous Ascoli player and Cap sould have put a player on him,(but he hates man to man marking) this was a tactical error/detail Thuram paid.

Another thing is that on a similar case of 2 attackers running with a ball and a defender between them,
there is always the way to precalculate the position of the players
and send the ball to meet the person behind the first,
sending the ball past the player closer(defender) of the crosser
where he(defender) cant reach it using the current speed
and that was exactly the case here,
Thuram covered the direct line between the two Ascoli players,
the cross sould be beyond Thuram reach,
not too far to other side, Zebina controled
and neither too close to the keeper(thats why DP didnt scored in similar cases)
this was just a perfect pass, there was no way our players could reach the ball
and they didnt have the option to bring down the player either,
as Thuram cleverly did hundreds of times in the past,
because Ferrante was in a firing position.
So thats why the best solution is,
to stop such a cross to happen at all
and that was Zambro's fault here,
i blame him, as i would blame my self in a similar case,
that winger was free to get to a good position for the cross,
he had all the time to do it as it sould
and he did it perfectly.Camo did a similar to Treze
but as a pass that was even harder.
Zambro wasnt there because he was surprised
and he was surprised because one of his teammates(Vieira or Nedved)did a mistake, a wrong pass,
that eventually costed one goal to our team,

thats why football is a team play, one player alone cant win a game but he cant loose it either,
his efforts might win the day but his mistakes might lead to disaster too...
defenders are the most underrated players in the game IMO,
they can save the day 10times(like Thuram did today)
but people will only remember the goal, the one who scored it(it doesnt matter he got owned 10times to do it, Inzaghi)
and the one who let it happen,(keepers often pay the bill)
well i judge everything...
and in my eyes Thuram did 10 individual positive contributions for the one colective/tactical mistake
and as long noone can dribble him i trust him...
Wow, nice post, amico mio. Thanks for the perspective. :pint:
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,757
Don Bes said:
greg i agree on all your counts except on nedved.

i hadnt seen him move so much in a long time. he was winning a lot of tackels and even though he wasnt as influenctial on attack as we like him to be it was fine because camo picked up the slack. i m thinkin it could be downhill from here for nedved. he got some confidence back.
I think Nedved has surprised some people with his decent play in the past couple of months. But today his passing and shooting were just off. And while I do appreciate his banging it in there to win balls and make tackles, I don't think that's the role for us where he's most effective.

I will say this much about his performance today -- he didn't look tired or old, as he has in some previous matches. :D
 

3pac

Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
7,206
i liked his pass towards the end of the second half when he shot it about 30 meters over mutu's head into the stands on the right wing :lol2:
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,757
Cronios said:
...
So thats why the best solution is,
to stop such a cross to happen at all
and that was Zambro's fault here,
i blame him, as i would blame my self in a similar case,
that winger was free to get to a good position for the cross,
he had all the time to do it as it sould
and he did it perfectly.Camo did a similar to Treze
but as a pass that was even harder.
Zambro wasnt there because he was surprised
and he was surprised because one of his teammates(Vieira or Nedved)did a mistake, a wrong pass,
that eventually costed one goal to our team,
I pretty much agreed in my match report. But I'd like to add that the counterattack on his wing was created because of an errant exchange with Del Piero while upfield. As a baseball equivalent, it was kind of like catching the runner between bases and blowing the tag because of a throwing error. Zambro's errant pass enabled the wing to get behind him with the ball rolling towards our net, which exposed our left flank.

Mistakes like this happen, though. And better they happen against Ascoli with a 3-0 lead. Otherwise, I thought Zambro played a pretty solid defensive match.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,757
Sir Sebastian said:
i liked his pass towards the end of the second half when he shot it about 30 meters over mutu's head into the stands on the right wing :lol2:
Like I said, I wish his shots on goal were as strong as his passes and his passes were as strong as his shots on goal today. ;)
 

3pac

Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
7,206
Bleh, you guys should be proud of me, I actually saw some of the game today. I woke up halfway through the second half, and then fell asleep before it ended :D

That's the first minute of juve action ive seen in like 2 months due to my lack of interest
 

ZhiXin

Senior Member
Oct 1, 2004
10,321
Now it is my turn to give a match report.

All it needs is just 20 minutes to finish off the game, with Trezeguet scoring a hattrick. The good old DP-Trez combination has once again worked wonders, with the latter finishing the chances provided, and DP creating chaos in the Ascoli defence. This is the quickest hattrick ever achieved by Trezeguet, and I really think that it is a brilliant decision to keep him as he has proven again how he is very dangerous to be in the penalty box. However for the Ascoli goal, I think that our players become complacent and thought that it is ok to win 3 - 0. However they made up for that mistake and never allow a repeat of it.

2nd half. Boring. Yet smart. The tempo is slow and it reminds me of the Parma home game last season, where we juz create some scoring chances, and that's it. For my further comments on this issue, I would write it under the gradings for Capello.

Buffon: Goal conceded not his fault, however ever since he stepped on, he seems to concede goals in almost every game compared to Abbiati. Have a lot of work to do. 6

Zebina: Is it because of his injury that he performed better? I really don't know. All I can say that is he is actually playing well and is dynamic. Good going forward as well, calm and skilled and even dribbled well. But 1 thing which bothers me is that he is hot and cold. Hope to see a more consistent Zebina this season. 6.5

Thuram: Ok game, goal conceded partly his fault. Thuram will be 34 this year. Sadly I think he is declining.6

Cannavaro: Solid as a rock, but should have been more tactful due to the Ascoli goal. 6

Zambrotta: He IS much better on the left. With his dynamic runs, this is the Zambrotta that we r all familiar with. Even though he let the Ascoli player get past him in the 1st half, he quickly get back to his defensive duties in the 2nd half and make the player invisible. Should have been labelled as the best LB of the world instead of the much hyped Roberto Carlos. 6.5

Camoranesi: Good and active match. Provided Two assists today, which is very good. He definitely has contributed to the game a lot. Surely an eventful day for him. If he were to make way for Marchionni, I would be sad. But too bad this is business. 6.5

Emerson: Solid as usual. This is the Emerson that we all want to see. 6.0 +

Vieira: Much better than his performance against Empoli. Needs to start more often to get back in shape. 6

Nedved: 1 of the most dynamic players on the pitch, as shown in the 1st half. Probably the team juz finished the game in just 20 minutes. Should I say that Nedved does has his charisma in the team?. He himself might not perform, but the team benefits from his presence. I have always shown faith in him that he is a leader on the pitch. This reminds me of the Czech Republic NT, where his dynamic performances have been inspirational for the team. Definitely deserved to be crowned the European Footballer of the year @ 2003 6.5

Del Piero: The old DP-Trez partnership has surfaced again, much to every1's delight. Involved in every attack that led to a goal, and assisted one. Very active and some nice moves, especially his contribution to the 2-0 was formidable. No wonder DP fans get so carried away about him. He really deserves to be a legend despite of his critics. 7.5

Trezeguet: Just stand there and score goals like hell. Man of the match. As I always say, he is surely 1 of the most underrated strikers in the world as he proves again how dangerous he is in the box. 8

Capello: Good game plan, I think he just tells his players to finish the game in the 1st half. After finishing 3 - 1 in the 1st half, I think he tells his players to treat the game as a training session and maintain the scoreline as fatigue will occur. Since Juventus will have a tough schedule ahead of them. If the players r too active and unfortunately met with a Materazzi-like tackle, it would be an awful injury. I think that Trez's substitution is to prevent him from getting injured and to prepare Zlatan for some fresh air, since Trez has a reputation of having legs made of glass. After all, the game has already finished, and Trez has performed his duties well.Sometimes Capello can be amazing. 7
 

ZhiXin

Senior Member
Oct 1, 2004
10,321
snoop said:
I wish if we keep Marchionni and Camoranesi at the same time,and rotate them, and I even love to see Camoranesi playing at the center.

btw,How old was marchionni,I forgot
We have to face the facts snoop, I think Marchionni is to replace Camo. Not that I want to see Camoranesi leaving Juventus, but I really think that the sale of Camo is bound to happen. Since it has already happened to Zidane and Inzaghi, it really isn't surprising that this happens to Camo as well.

Anyway Marchionni is 26 this year. And pretty light weight compared to Camo
 
Jan 7, 2004
29,704
swag said:
I think Nedved has surprised some people with his decent play in the past couple of months. But today his passing and shooting were just off. And while I do appreciate his banging it in there to win balls and make tackles, I don't think that's the role for us where he's most effective.

I will say this much about his performance today -- he didn't look tired or old, as he has in some previous matches. :D
i dont know what more to expect of nedved anyway
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
Akerman said:
Oh please the DRAMA! Vinman, you always start your posts with Zlatan vs Del Piero.
bullshit !! show me where

just because I think we play as more of a unit with DP than Zlatan...its TRUE !!

you dont agree with my opinion, then so what

you are a fan of Zlatan, and I am a fan of JUVENTUS
 

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