Sergio Agüero - ST - Atletico Madrid (14 Viewers)

[Alen]

Here is a question? If aguero had a better surrounding cast this year and is better how come rossi had better numbers?

I'm not sure if Aguero had a better team than Rossi did. Even if he did, you should know well that you really can't look at it that way, especially if you're looking strictly at one single season.

There are like million examples which will show the flaws in your theory, so I'll use the first one that crossed my mind:
- If Zlatan had a better surrounding than Di Vaio, how come Di Vaio scored more?

 

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[Salvatore]

In this forum you are either a Moggi hater or a Moggi lover, nothing in between.

Either a part of the so-called "society" or anti-Marotta

Either you think Aguero is 1000 times better than Rossi or you're a Azzurri clown fanboy/fangirl who's full of bias.

Gotta love it.

Loads of mind readers on here as well.

 

[acmilan]

Once again. He claimed that Rossi had better stats on a weaker team, which is simply not true. I'm talking about getting these 2 "facts" straight.

well, I wouldn't take to heart what one person said ... maybe they just had enough with the general trend on the forum - Aguero=God, Rossi=crap ... the person you are referring to was probably just trying to even the field a little

 

[radekas]

well, I wouldn't take to heart what one person said ... maybe they just had enough with the general trend on the forum - Aguero=God, Rossi=crap ... the person you are referring to was probably just trying to even the field a little

Actually the person Im referring to is, from what I've read, the biggest Rossi fanboy on this forum, so I couldn't resist and correct him on obviously wrong statements . Usually I only read this board.

 

[Fint]

anything substantial in the VS guru thread re Aguero?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Once again. He claimed that Rossi had better stats on a weaker team, which is simply not true. I'm talking about getting these 2 "facts" straight.

For me the difference between the numbers isn't as dramatic as you guys make the difference in player and that's why it angers me. The difference between agletico and villareal aren't that big even though it was 4th and 7th and the players not that different either in performance. Reember Rossi starts for his national team while agureo bench warms

 

[Flamez]

Numbers say a lot man. For example tackling and passing completion..saves per game for goalies, shots taken against for the defense etc etc.

Numbers and stats speak volumes though.

Well, in that case I don't know why clubs have scouts. They could always put some geeks doing the job. Here, look at the 09/10 season:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/12909/javier-pedro-saviola?cc=5739
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/108226/óscar-cardozo?cc=5739

Based on this, as they're both strikers, I'd say Cardozo is twice the player Saviola is. In fact, Savi was the best man (team) of that season and were mostly his off the ball movements that allowed Cardozo to have such a numbers.

 

[Joe]

For me the difference between the numbers isn't as dramatic as you guys make the difference in player and that's why it angers me. The difference between agletico and villareal aren't that big even though it was 4th and 7th and the players not that different either in performance. Reember Rossi starts for his national team while agureo bench warms

Oh shit man, wouldn't have said that if I was you...

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Also im not a fanboy. I want what's best for my club my loyalty is to Juve not the players. The better scenario for me is getting a good quality player for good money instead of emptying the bank on one great player

 

[Fint]

Oh shit man, wouldn't have said that if I was you...

+rep for the tar btw

Forza Cooon!

 

[Cheesio]

For me the difference between the numbers isn't as dramatic as you guys make the difference in player and that's why it angers me. The difference between agletico and villareal aren't that big even though it was 4th and 7th and the players not that different either in performance. Reember Rossi starts for his national team while agureo bench warms

 

[Alen]

For me the difference between the numbers isn't as dramatic as you guys make the difference in player and that's why it angers me. The difference between agletico and villareal aren't that big even though it was 4th and 7th and the players not that different either in performance. Reember Rossi starts for his national team while agureo bench warms

You can't simply look at season's numbers. Watch the players play football.
I'd pick Rossi ahead of Mario Gomez, despite the fact that the German (almost) regularly has better numbers and was a ~35 million euro purchase.
I want the better player, the one who will seriously improve the team in many levels. That is why I prefer Sanchez to most of them. It's because I watched him a lot and I know he'll seriously improve Juve, which Rossi will never do, even if Rossi had not one but 5 seasons behind him with +20 goals scored.

Don't you get it?
Di Vaio can score 20 goals per season in the next 3 seasons while Zlatan could score 14 in each of the three seasons and I'd pick Zlatan, because of the incredible influence he'll have on the team.
Rossi won't have it and I am not sure if Kun will have it either, but for the Argie there is hope while for Rossi I am sure he won't have such influence.

 

[Flamez]

For me the difference between the numbers isn't as dramatic as you guys make the difference in player and that's why it angers me. The difference between agletico and villareal aren't that big even though it was 4th and 7th and the players not that different either in performance. Reember Rossi starts for his national team while agureo bench warms

The difference of the teams is that, as team, Villarreal is undoubtly better. And when you have a better team, the ball arrives more times to the strikers. Even if Atletico's players are better overall, that doesn't matter.

The bold is ridiculous (and I'm one of the few who isn't azzurri hater here).

 

[AndreaCristiano]

No i get it but that still doesnt answer the bottom line as good as a player aguero is can JUVE afford the 45 million extra over the 5 years? I dont believe at this point they can

 

[radekas]

Also im not a fanboy. I want what's best for my club my loyalty is to Juve not the players. The better scenario for me is getting a good quality player for good money instead of emptying the bank on one great player

I'm ok with that. But not with making false statements like before. Just try to check your facts before lobbying for Rossi again.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

The difference of the teams is that, as team, Villarreal is undoubtly better. And when you have a better team, the ball arrives more times to the strikers. Even if Atletico's players are better overall, that doesn't matter.

The bold is ridiculous (and I'm one of the few who isn't azzurri hater here).

why is the bold rediculous no one on here would want lavezzi over aguero yet he starts over aguero on the national team. How is this not relative?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I'm ok with that. But not with making false statements like before. Just try to check your facts before lobbying for Rossi again.

what i should have said was that for the difference in numbers I dont believe that the extra money for aguero is worth it .

 

[Joe]

why is the bold rediculous no one on here would want lavezzi over aguero yet he starts over aguero on the national team. How is this not relative?

Because Argentina has some tough competition for forwards.

Right now the Azzurri are going through some tough times, Rossi was able to walk right in.

 

[Alen]

why is the bold rediculous no one on here would want lavezzi over aguero yet he starts over aguero on the national team. How is this not relative?

Is Rossi a starter for Italy? If yes, when did he become?

Do you want me to show you where was Rossi (starter or bench warmer) in the last 10 matches Italy played?

 

[Flamez]

why is the bold rediculous no one on here would want lavezzi over aguero yet he starts over aguero on the national team. How is this not relative?

SERGIO BAPTISTA.

Rossi, Pazzini, Matri, Giovinco, Cassano, Balotelli.
Aguero, Messi, Tevez, Di Maria, Higuain, Lavezzi.

Can't you really get that?