Sergio Agüero - ST - Atletico Madrid (65 Viewers)

[MikeM]

They paid 24m for Lisandro Lopez.

Did they not have a great team in place first? They had just won the league over and over.

 

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[Bjerknes]

Why fullbacks are not match winning? Obviously, in attack they can't do shit without the the others. Its either a perfect pass for a fullback running from a deep or a team play to stretch the defense and allow the fullback alone on his flank. In most cases the are not difference makers in defense as well as there is always a CB to cover.

Indeed. The whole point of the game is to score more goals than your opponent. That's why goalscorers command higher transfer fees.

It's incredible how this apparently isn't understood by some football fans.

They paid 24m for Lisandro Lopez.

Even despite having good players come through their youth ranks.

 

[javi_berti]

Players who change games at the whim of a hat, like Tevez and Aguero.

If you think the Javier Zanetti of last year should be worth more than Messi because he and his mates shut him down, go right ahead and believe that. Doesn't work that way in the real world.

we're not talking messis or ronaldos and team defense versus one player here. you could also argue how tevez and aguero would fare in team full of scrubs if we're going down that road.

im just puzzled about the fact that it would be inappropriate to spend a lot of money for a so-called "not match-winning" position such as fullbacks when we all saw how much our fullbacks sucked this year and how we probably would have achieved more with competent players in those positions.

 

[j0ker]

I would choose Aguero or Tevez of course. They are not necessarily dependent on the team, which is my whole point. I pay 40M for Tevez because he can take a ball and put it in the net himself.

But when you get down to the 25M range which is what we were talking about with 25M for Coentrao, those forwards aren't the ones that can take games by themselves. They are overvalued greatly. I could build up a sick team and stick fucking Marco Di Vaio or fucking Hernan Crespo/Trezeguet up front for 10M and he'll do the same as Bent, Gomez, Jo, Keane, etc.

Then we agree.

 

[javi_berti]

Did they not have a great team in place first? They had just won the league over and over.

actually they bought lopez after the season they did not win the league. marseille won it that year.

 

[Kosta]

Pipe dream.

 

[Sarunas]

Indeed. The whole point of the game is to score more goals than your opponent. That's why goalscorers command higher transfer fees.

It's incredible how this apparently isn't understood by some football fans.

Additionally, attackers are recognized by majority of dumb people. Therefore attackers and not defenders sell more shirts. That's marketing. The general company could be willing to pay higher fee if they know the money would come back from different channels.

 

[j0ker]

we're not talking messis or ronaldos and team defense versus one player here. you could also argue how tevez and aguero would fare in team full of scrubs if we're going down that road.

im just puzzled about the fact that it would be inappropriate to spend a lot of money for a so-called "not match-winning" position such as fullbacks when we all saw how much our fullbacks sucked this year and how we probably would have achieved more with competent players in those positions.

But we are getting Licht who is one of the best Serie A fullbacks, and there are not to many quality fullbacks available.

 

[Bjerknes]

we're not talking messis or ronaldos and team defense versus one player here. you could also argue how tevez and aguero would fare in team full of scrubs if we're going down that road.

im just puzzled about the fact that it would be inappropriate to spend a lot of money for a so-called "not match-winning" position such as fullbacks when we all saw how much our fullbacks sucked this year and how we probably would have achieved more with competent players in those positions.

I'm not against spending a decent amount of money on a fullback, provided he's actually good. For someone like Cissokho, we would be spending Thuram-like money for someone who isn't anywhere near his level of defending. Same with Coentrao, I'm not convinced he's worth that much money. The fact of the matter is, there aren't that many good fullbacks available these days and we have limited capital to spend. Blowing 30M on a player like Coentrao when we could buy a player like Aguero for 40 just doesn't seem like good business to me. We need quality in all areas of the pitch, but with regards to individual players, those who can score and create a lot of goals are always more valuable to a team than a fullback, unless the fullback is an out-of-this-world player.

 

[Bjerknes]

Additionally, attackers are recognized by majority of dumb people. Therefore attackers and not defenders sell more shirts. That's marketing. The general company could be willing to pay higher fee if they know the money would come back from different channels.

Exactly. Now here's a guy who understands economics.

But we are getting Licht who is one of the best Serie A fullbacks, and there are not to many quality fullbacks available.

Yup.

 

[javi_berti]

true, and i was thinking for about 2 years that i would like him on our team. although it must be said that i am a bit biased on this one as i am swiss..

 

[Hust]

we got 2 new FBs that are better than what we have. I am happy this issue was addressed finally. Now let's buy 2 WC players like Hazard and Aguero.

 

[Trequartista]

we got 2 new FBs that are better than what we have. I am happy this issue was addressed finally. Now let's buy 2 WC players like Hazard and Aguero.

Is Lichtsteiner a done deal?

 

[Bjerknes]

Wait, Lichtsteiner is official?

And by all means, I am NOT convinced Ziegler is the long-term option for the left-flank. I'm not at all convinced of his defensive qualities, so this worries me.

 

[Gabriel]

Lich is a quality signing for Juve imo, though Ziegler seems to be more of a band-aid fix.

 

[javi_berti]

I'm not against spending a decent amount of money on a fullback, provided he's actually good. For someone like Cissokho, we would be spending Thuram-like money for someone who isn't anywhere near his level of defending. Same with Coentrao, I'm not convinced he's worth that much money. The fact of the matter is, there aren't that many good fullbacks available these days and we have limited capital to spend. Blowing 30M on a player like Coentrao when we could buy a player like Aguero for 40 just doesn't seem like good business to me. We need quality in all areas of the pitch, but with regards to individual players, those who can score and create a lot of goals are always more valuable to a team than a fullback, unless the fullback is an out-of-this-world player.

actually i'm with you on this one. it does not make sense for this current juventus squad to splash that much money on fullbacks. but we also weren't discussing this so far.

Exactly. Now here's a guy who understands economics.




Yup.

it's more business than econ, but he is right nonetheless.

 

[javi_berti]

Is Lichtsteiner a done deal?

no, it is not. we were just talking about the potential signing. atleast i was.

And by all means, I am NOT convinced Ziegler is the long-term option for the left-flank. I'm not at all convinced of his defensive qualities, so this worries me.

he probably isn't, but it's still a nice opportunity to get him on a free. and you're right about the defensive worries of ziegler's skills. although it is also evident that he is not a defensive liability as grosso or motta.

 

[Hust]

Wait, Lichtsteiner is official?

And by all means, I am NOT convinced Ziegler is the long-term option for the left-flank. I'm not at all convinced of his defensive qualities, so this worries me.

Zieg is obviously not a long-term, but he is better than what we have fortunately. I guess we just need to wait until a good long term LB becomes available?

 

[generous88]

let's be realistic and take it step by step...Ziegler is an improvement and is enough to get a CL spot..later we can seek someone who brings us Scudetto

 

[javi_berti]

let's be realistic and take it step by step...Ziegler is an improvement and is enough to get a CL spot..later we can seek someone who brings us Scudetto

depends totally on the rest of the team.