Jovetić is twice the player than Giovinco is, how he destroyed Bayern at 19 years of age, lovely.
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Jovetić is twice the player than Giovinco is, how he destroyed Bayern at 19 years of age, lovely.
Just wasn't meant to be.
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Lol and all plans for Juve before we announced our interest was to renew the co-ownership. One word by us and they pissed their $#@!ing pants, as static as we are on the market we dont let any thing influence the way we do things.
these things help them sleep at night
these things help them sleep at night
And twas a good post, sir.
I know that there are people who feel as though he never should have left, but after two years of nonsense, sending him on co-own proved to be an excellent decision for the player's development. He really needed those guaranteed consistent minutes to work on his game, and reestablish his confidence.
A further bonus is that we didn't have another extra salary on the books for a player in the stands. Way too much of that going on in recent years.
I know that there are people who feel as though he never should have left, but after two years of nonsense, sending him on co-own proved to be an excellent decision for the player's development. He really needed those guaranteed consistent minutes to work on his game, and reestablish his confidence.
A further bonus is that we didn't have another extra salary on the books for a player in the stands. Way too much of that going on in recent years.
And the funny thing is, I'm not a even a big fan of his.
He's a good player, a very good player on his day, but never, in my opinion a world class one.
And he is far from terrible or useless. Far, far, from it.
The point is, for juve to get him back, at what amounts to a net of 8 million, for a player of his quality and age, is a very good deal.
There was no way he was going to get significant minutes the past two seasons at juventus. Why, you may ask? because prior to these past two years, there was never any concrete evidence that he COULD play 90 minutes a game, week in, week out, and still maintain a level of consistency. Juve were coming off their first 7th place finish that season, and, in my opinion, hand the reigns to a then 23 year old player who had never been a consistent starter. There were desparate times, and those desperate times meant that there was no room for him on the squad back then.
And let's get something perfectly clear here. His first season at Parma was a good one. But it was not a GREAT one. 7 goals, 6 assists, as the primary souce of attack is decent, but not one that would have anyone remotely believe that he could literally double those numbers the following year, with less talent as well, it could be argued.
But that is EXACTLY what he did. This past season was the one that proved that he is ready to make a jump in quality.
And let's forget for a moment that he was originally Juve property a couple of years ago. Let's forget about that for a moment. Let's go under the assumption that this is the first time that gio would be at Juve. Ask yourself this question.
Would a 25 year old forward with 15 goals and 11 assists who was the main catalyst in Parma reaching 8th place, be worth 11 million?
You're damn right it would be. Absolutely.
He's a good player, a very good player on his day, but never, in my opinion a world class one.
And he is far from terrible or useless. Far, far, from it.
The point is, for juve to get him back, at what amounts to a net of 8 million, for a player of his quality and age, is a very good deal.
There was no way he was going to get significant minutes the past two seasons at juventus. Why, you may ask? because prior to these past two years, there was never any concrete evidence that he COULD play 90 minutes a game, week in, week out, and still maintain a level of consistency. Juve were coming off their first 7th place finish that season, and, in my opinion, hand the reigns to a then 23 year old player who had never been a consistent starter. There were desparate times, and those desperate times meant that there was no room for him on the squad back then.
And let's get something perfectly clear here. His first season at Parma was a good one. But it was not a GREAT one. 7 goals, 6 assists, as the primary souce of attack is decent, but not one that would have anyone remotely believe that he could literally double those numbers the following year, with less talent as well, it could be argued.
But that is EXACTLY what he did. This past season was the one that proved that he is ready to make a jump in quality.
And let's forget for a moment that he was originally Juve property a couple of years ago. Let's forget about that for a moment. Let's go under the assumption that this is the first time that gio would be at Juve. Ask yourself this question.
Would a 25 year old forward with 15 goals and 11 assists who was the main catalyst in Parma reaching 8th place, be worth 11 million?
You're damn right it would be. Absolutely.
Totally agree with everything here, buddy. At the end of the day, Juve is adding a player with qualities that will certainly be very useful, at a price point that is hard to refuse. For me, the player is clearly ready to take the next step.
Hopefully our fans welcome Giovinco, and support him - even if he has a bit of a rocky start. It would be nice if fans viewed him as just another quality piece to the puzzle. This being a team sport, and all.
Hopefully our fans welcome Giovinco, and support him - even if he has a bit of a rocky start. It would be nice if fans viewed him as just another quality piece to the puzzle. This being a team sport, and all.
Erm, wasnt he OUR player to begin with??
Who forced us to sell off his half for such a very low fee????
And who would give us 22mil, to justify 11mil for his half back?
How can we accept that his current price tag is 22mil and his price tag then was 6mil?
Was Giovinco then worthy less than Giaccherini?? Then why sell off his half?
Marotta just wasted a great pile of cash for no particularly good reason.
We should never concede giving his half for such a low fee, it was a certainty that they were going to rob us,
Parma benefit from his service, not only free, but they made a solid profit out of this deal, we were owned! Hard! Again...
Who forced us to sell off his half for such a very low fee????
And who would give us 22mil, to justify 11mil for his half back?
How can we accept that his current price tag is 22mil and his price tag then was 6mil?
Was Giovinco then worthy less than Giaccherini?? Then why sell off his half?
Marotta just wasted a great pile of cash for no particularly good reason.
We should never concede giving his half for such a low fee, it was a certainty that they were going to rob us,
Parma benefit from his service, not only free, but they made a solid profit out of this deal, we were owned! Hard! Again...
So why not just loan him out to Parma ?
And please pleeeaaase for the love of God don't give me the excuse that Parma would never play him if he was just loaned to them !!
Because if he will help them out then they "will" play him no matter if he was loaned, co-owned or whatever. Anything to help them out.
I said it last summer when we sold his half to them, we will buy him back for 2-3 times what they originally paid for us.
And please pleeeaaase for the love of God don't give me the excuse that Parma would never play him if he was just loaned to them !!
Because if he will help them out then they "will" play him no matter if he was loaned, co-owned or whatever. Anything to help them out.
I said it last summer when we sold his half to them, we will buy him back for 2-3 times what they originally paid for us.
You're wrong Cron. So what if he was our player? At that time he wasnt this good and there is a 90% chance that he wouldnt have become the player he is with us because he wouldnt have gotten the chance in the previous 2 years when we were terrible. He would have probably also failed under the previous two 7th place finishes and he would have been sold off for a low fee.
So the fact that he was ours is irrelevant. What is relevant isw that he is now a miuch better player than he was before due to getting playing time in Parma. At the time he was probably worth a bit more than 7 mil € (because we got 3.5 for his half),but robably not more tahn 8-9. So the difference isnt that big.
The point is that for 7.5 mil € we got a much better quality player than if he had stayed with us. So while we would have saved 7.5 mil € had he stayed we wouldnt have such a good player and would have to spend even more to bring a player of his quality (under this inflated market we would have to pay likely 16-18 or more mil €). We got him for 7.5. The deal is a good one for us!
---------- Post added 19.06.2012 at 22:29 ----------
But it is true. While they might play him, he would never be the focus of the team and would be more likely to be dropped, if he got the chance to play. They took a risk on him when we couldnt afford to. They made him the player he is and they deserve what they got for him.
Let me ask you a question. What should they have done instead?
There were no guarantees that during the past two seasons, he would have blossomed into the player that he is now.
Let's look at these numbers for a minute.
Juve have paid Parma 11 million to buy back their half of Giovinco.
Now, when the transaction first took place two years ago, Parma paid 1 million for Juve to loan him out to them. In that agreement, there was a set, fixed amount for the option for Parma to buy half of him for 3 million. Now, let's keep in mind that at the time that this took place, he was a 23 year old part time player for Juventus, that although had a lot of potential, there was a very small sample size of what he could do, with no assurances that he could keep up those types of performances as a player in the Starting XI week in and week out.
So now, let's deduct that 4 million from the 11 million that Juve just paid out, since they have already received that 4 million in advance. That makes the payout for Juve 7 million euro.
Let's take something else into the equation. His salary for the past 2 seasons, paid by Parma. I don't know what that salary is, but let's, for the sake of argument, say that it was 1 million Euro per season.
Taking that into consideration, Parma's net profit is now 5 million Euro.
Looking at it in this light, what parma basically did was take Giovinco for two years, allow him to develop his game to the point where he is now ready to make that step up, they get 5 million euro net profit, and no Giovinco anymore. Good luck to parma trying to find a player of his caliber for 5 million.
It was US who lowered his price by not using him.
Not him, neither his talent. It was for choosing to part with him at this very moment, the worst possible moment.
His talent was obviously there, such talent is rare in Italy, such players in Italy are rare and overrated. Even Fergie made an offer a year ago.
Giovinco already proved that he was worthy more than 10-15mil and after a year spend on any Italian team, that price would have grown, at zero risc. You know very well that we would pay that sum for an Italian talent of this level, no less, at any case.
What forced us to concede his half for such a low fee, why not demand a fair one, or just a straight loan?
Why give them the chance to keep him another year?
Why give them the chance to inflate the needed fee in order to buy him back?
Unacceptable mistakes... and it is not by chance that we never benefit from these deals and we are abused by them with great consistency, each and every year...
Not him, neither his talent. It was for choosing to part with him at this very moment, the worst possible moment.
His talent was obviously there, such talent is rare in Italy, such players in Italy are rare and overrated. Even Fergie made an offer a year ago.
Giovinco already proved that he was worthy more than 10-15mil and after a year spend on any Italian team, that price would have grown, at zero risc. You know very well that we would pay that sum for an Italian talent of this level, no less, at any case.
What forced us to concede his half for such a low fee, why not demand a fair one, or just a straight loan?
Why give them the chance to keep him another year?
Why give them the chance to inflate the needed fee in order to buy him back?
Unacceptable mistakes... and it is not by chance that we never benefit from these deals and we are abused by them with great consistency, each and every year...
Why would Parma agree to just keep having the loan renewed?
Let's say for instance that Giovinco had failed miserably in his first season with Parma. They wouldn't have taken the 3 million option at the beginning of last season, and Giovinco would have come back to this team, with other players already in the fold, and possibly little chance of him developing into the player he is now.
I'm not sure if you are under this impression of Juve having to screw everybody over, and forcing other teams to bend to their will, but it doesn't work that way. Especially with a team such as Parma, who for the longest time, were considered a feeder club of Juve. You simply don't do that. Juve have very few allies in Serie A to begin with, you don't start ruining the relationships with the precious few clubs that you can consider as an ally
Let's say for instance that Giovinco had failed miserably in his first season with Parma. They wouldn't have taken the 3 million option at the beginning of last season, and Giovinco would have come back to this team, with other players already in the fold, and possibly little chance of him developing into the player he is now.
I'm not sure if you are under this impression of Juve having to screw everybody over, and forcing other teams to bend to their will, but it doesn't work that way. Especially with a team such as Parma, who for the longest time, were considered a feeder club of Juve. You simply don't do that. Juve have very few allies in Serie A to begin with, you don't start ruining the relationships with the precious few clubs that you can consider as an ally
Exactly. People seem to think that we should fuck everyone over and they should smile and accept it. But the fact is that every negotiation is a compromise, you lose in some places to win in others. Both sides need to be happy with a deal otherwise the relationship will be ruined.
And this deal was good for both sides.
Net spending for Gio will have been 7 million euros. Not bad at all. Soon we will also sell a bunch of players, and among them Pazienza, for probably 3-4 million, a player we got for free. Elia, Krasic, Melo etc. are all on their way out.
Maybe this way, with Gio on the cheap instead of Jovetic for 25-30m, we actually have a great shot at spending large for that top striker. I'm hopeful.
Maybe this way, with Gio on the cheap instead of Jovetic for 25-30m, we actually have a great shot at spending large for that top striker. I'm hopeful.