Season ticket sales looking bad, again... (2 Viewers)

[flieeeekke]

really dont remember. i thought of it before, but couldnt remember, therefore i didnt say anything before erkka did. and we both heard of palermo, so that makes me pretty confident that those rumours did float around the web. but really dont remember where, might be this same board

 

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[KB824]

++ [ originally posted by BigIzz ] ++
This has always been hard for me to understand how Juve could be so good and draw so few fans. Here in the US, I am a fan of the NY Giants in the NFL. Their 78,000 seat stadium is sold out for every game well before the season starts. Hell, there is a 25 year waiting list for season tickets and the stadium is probably made up of 75,000 season ticket holders. And tickets aren't cheap or anything, its $65 or $75 for any ticket in the stadium. The Yankees draw amazingly as well. Bearing in mind they are a baseball team and play 81 home games every year, they average about 50,000 a game in a 55,000 seat stadium and easily sell out every big game.

I have always been baffled as to why a team with such a great tradition as Juve hasn't been able to draw better. They don't even sell out some (most?) Champions League matches. Maybe the new stadium will help...

That's nothing.


Take the Boston Red Sox, the world's premier example of sports futility, no championship in 86 years, yet they are still selling out every game. Its simple, actually. These teams you've mentioned are woven into the fabric of their very being as residents of that particular city. How many people from New York do you know that AREN'T Yankee or Giants fans?? Even if they weren't, they would still go to the games if given a chance, just to get the experience.

From an outsider's point of view, it isn't the stadium or the location that's holding them back. That's a load of crap from where I'm standing, because Fenway Park in Boston is 93 years old and extremely antiquated, and they still fill every single seat for 81 games. To me, the heart of Torino isn't Juventus, its with Torino, and it will always be that way. Watch some Torino matches if you have RAI International, you'll see 45-50,000 people in the seats. I'm detached from the city, having no emotional ties to Turin at all, so if they want to move, let them. The city rreally won't miss them at all, and there are 50 other cities in Italy that would die to have Juve play there, complete with a brand new state-of-the-art stadium and a much larger guaranteed fanbase.

Here's another theory: Is it possible that the city of Torino is steeped in an underdog mentality, and that it acutually HATES a winner??

 

[Torkel]

++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++
really dont remember. i thought of it before, but couldnt remember, therefore i didnt say anything before erkka did. and we both heard of palermo, so that makes me pretty confident that those rumours did float around the web. but really dont remember where, might be this same board

Yeah, I'm not doubting that it circulated around the web, just wondered how reliable the source was.

 

[Zambrotta]

++ [ originally posted by Torkel ] ++
A season ticket only costs 180 Euros? Is it just me or is that incredibly cheap?

That is impossible. That is cheaper than a season ticket in Sweden.

 

[flieeeekke]

maybe for the shittiest (20 euros/game) seats?

 

[Zambrotta]

++ [ originally posted by Sergio ] ++


That's nothing.


Take the Boston Red Sox, the world's premier example of sports futility, no championship in 86 years, yet they are still selling out every game. Its simple, actually. These teams you've mentioned are woven into the fabric of their very being as residents of that particular city. How many people from New York do you know that AREN'T Yankee or Giants fans?? Even if they weren't, they would still go to the games if given a chance, just to get the experience.

From an outsider's point of view, it isn't the stadium or the location that's holding them back. That's a load of crap from where I'm standing, because Fenway Park in Boston is 93 years old and extremely antiquated, and they still fill every single seat for 81 games. To me, the heart of Torino isn't Juventus, its with Torino, and it will always be that way. Watch some Torino matches if you have RAI International, you'll see 45-50,000 people in the seats. I'm detached from the city, having no emotional ties to Turin at all, so if they want to move, let them. The city rreally won't miss them at all, and there are 50 other cities in Italy that would die to have Juve play there, complete with a brand new state-of-the-art stadium and a much larger guaranteed fanbase.

Here's another theory: Is it possible that the city of Torino is steeped in an underdog mentality, and that it acutually HATES a winner??

I don't know how the reactions was when we moved to Delle Alpi. But there was obviously a lot of history in Communale. And history is the most important part.
Djurgården has been playing in Stockholms Stadion for decades but decided to move to the national Arena Råsunda this year for financial reasons. Råsunda is a much better arena, it is probably the best ine Sweden, while Stockholms stadion is an absolutely awful stadium with running fields and huge pilars that makes it impossible to see the game. Still we hated the move. We hated it so much that we were considering a complete boycott of the entire season.
All it had to do with was the history, Stockholm Stadion was more Djurgården than all the players together. We had miseries there and we had happiness. We had made friends and we had made enemies. After the move this was just memories and the happiness about going to the football game was gone. Now they are planning to move back but the scars are so deep that they will probably never be healed.

An arena is so much more than a just a place to watch football at.

 

[Zambrotta]

++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++
maybe for the shittiest (20 euros/game) seats?

Ok sure that is possible. But they must be really crappy. But still it would be pretty smart to take them as you are pretty free to take any seat you want on Delle Alpi.

 

[KB824]

++ [ originally posted by Zambrotta ] ++


I don't know how the reactions was when we moved to Delle Alpi. But there was obviously a lot of history in Communale. And history is the most important part.
Djurgården has been playing in Stockholms Stadion for decades but decided to move to the national Arena Råsunda this year for financial reasons. Råsunda is a much better arena, it is probably the best ine Sweden, while Stockholms stadion is an absolutely awful stadium with running fields and huge pilars that makes it impossible to see the game. Still we hated the move. We hated it so much that we were considering a complete boycott of the entire season.
All it had to do with was the history, Stockholm Stadion was more Djurgården than all the players together. We had miseries there and we had happiness. We had made friends and we had made enemies. After the move this was just memories and the happiness about going to the football game was gone. Now they are planning to move back but the scars are so deep that they will probably never be healed.

An arena is so much more than a just a place to watch football at.

Up to a point. The Communale was collapsing onto itself, and something needed to be done. I'm glad to see that its going to be refurbished for Torino, but to not go to a new stadium because of such a strong emotional attachment to the old one is crazy, in my opinion. You go because you are a supporter of the team, whether they paly at Il Communale, the Delle Alpi, or the parking lot of the San Siro.

I'm all for sentimentality, but not to the point where it becomes uncomfortable, or more importantly, unsafe to watch a match

 

[Zambrotta]

It was more to prove a point to the board that we do not accept this. But it has been like playing away every game this season.

 

[The Pado]

If I lived in Italy, I would be at every Juve game - home and away - there is no excuse for such sad attendence figures. Juve's biggest support is in the South, which is probably one answer.

 

[Jun-hide]

I totally agree with Sergio.:thumb:.

While I would say having convenient stadium etc etc helps to draw fans, there is no doubt that emotional attachment is the key to drawing fans into the games to go with the standard of play. If Torino fans isnt supportive of Juve then again I see no reason why we have to play in Stadio Delle Alpi. And how disgraceful some of our attendences were: I mean what does it say about the city when only around 800 peoples turns up for CL match against Arsenal because team got eliminated? And as for Stadium thing, San Siro wasnt too pretty either. The bar partially blocks the view, and the towards the end of first row, you have virtually zero visibility hence they have to have stupid individual monitors to assist with the play.. And yet many Milanisti and Internazionale turns up for every match. Juve deserve better.

P.S. If visiting a San Siro costs 10 Euro, 180 Euro is absolute bargain IMO.

 

[nedved34]

++ [ originally posted by Torkel ] ++
A season ticket only costs 180 Euros? Is it just me or is that incredibly cheap?

Where did u get that from?Man i really need help about tickets.

maybe u can help me see this pls

http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7526

 

[Elnur_E65]

They will look back until the new stadium is ready. Period.

 

[_Emerson]

++ [ originally posted by Jun-hide ] ++
Tnx for the information. Unfortunately I have never been to Torino, since it isnt really enticing tourist destination..
Anyway, even if Juve roots lies in Torino, surely we deserve better than half empty stadium that we get in majority of matches.
Personally I find it hard to believe given that there are millions of people like me who would LOVE to go to Juve matches but cant because it is simply too far away, and travelling cost. For 180Euros, Juve deserve better.

Its sad that people think this about Turin, you say have never been there, i have been there and alot of other places, and Turin is the nicest city, it has everything, and there is alot for tourists to see, the only ones who dont like Turin is the ones who lives there, because of the stress. But it is a special city, Milan can just go to hell, its nothing compared to Turin. Undoubtly one of Europes nicest cities.

 

[_Emerson]

++ [ originally posted by Erkka ] ++


I've heard that Palermo is an option...

This is just bullshit, rumours from lame fans who dont understand a thing! (didnt mean you), Juve will never move, and they own Delle Alpi and its surroundings for 99 years to come.

 

[Majed]

Torino doesn't deserve Juve..

I used to be against the idea of moving, but now i say: why not?

 

[_Emerson]

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
Torino doesn't deserve Juve..

I used to be against the idea of moving, but now i say: why not?

Use your head before saying such a stupid thing, you dont know what youre talking about, Turin doesnt deserve juve???, hahaha, it was Turin and it students/citizens who founded Juve!!!!!!!.

Juve wouldnt exist if it wasnt for Turin, and then they dont deserve something they have created?.

 

[flieeeekke]

you dont make sense emerson. so what if turin students founded juve, it seems that current students there dont give a shit that juve play. so you prefer playing in an empty studium just because its in turin?

 

[_Emerson]

++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++
you dont make sense emerson. so what if turin students founded juve, it seems that current students there dont give a shit that juve play. so you prefer playing in an empty studium just because its in turin?

No only you make sense!, empty stadiums?, another one who doesnt know what he is talking about.

 

[Jun-hide]

++ [ originally posted by _Emerson ] ++


No only you make sense!, empty stadiums?, another one who doesnt know what he is talking about.

800 Against Arsenal is virtually an empty stadium, and that was CL match we were talking about. Personally, I would prefer Juve to play in Turin but the matter of fact is that our attedence has to go up. And as for Stadium, don't you think if we were American-esque franchise, local council would have to provide us with the new stadium (Otherwise we would simply move). And yeah, one of the main reason why we operate within low budget is that we are spending large part of our money in stadium redvelopment I hear. Don't you think that is a bit lame, being treated as the second ugly sister?