that is kinda my point as well,at least now we have to face up to the fact that,while some of our players are excellent, they have not performed and the whole club needs a shakeup
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13 years ago today Aberdeen relegated Dundee United.
Its the first game I have clear memories of, even though I'd been to a fair few games before it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVSB1ueBvgo&eurl=http://www.aberdeen-mad.co.uk/news/loadfeat.asp?cid=EDZ7&id=391086
Duncan Shearer.
Still one of my favourite goals.
Can't help but wonder how a team with Shearer, Dodds and Jess would do in the league now.
Its the first game I have clear memories of, even though I'd been to a fair few games before it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVSB1ueBvgo&eurl=http://www.aberdeen-mad.co.uk/news/loadfeat.asp?cid=EDZ7&id=391086
Duncan Shearer.
Still one of my favourite goals.
Can't help but wonder how a team with Shearer, Dodds and Jess would do in the league now.
13 years ago today Aberdeen relegated Dundee United.
Its the first game I have clear memories of, even though I'd been to a fair few games before it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVSB1ueBvgo&eurl=http://www.aberdeen-mad.co.uk/news/loadfeat.asp?cid=EDZ7&id=391086
Duncan Shearer.
Still one of my favourite goals.
Can't help but wonder how a team with Shearer, Dodds and Jess would do in the league now.
Its the first game I have clear memories of, even though I'd been to a fair few games before it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVSB1ueBvgo&eurl=http://www.aberdeen-mad.co.uk/news/loadfeat.asp?cid=EDZ7&id=391086
Duncan Shearer.
Still one of my favourite goals.
Can't help but wonder how a team with Shearer, Dodds and Jess would do in the league now.
to think national teams with the likes of...joe jordan,jim baxter,kenny dalglish,eck mcleish,leighton,goram,mccoist,hanson,souness...the list is endless....have all failed to amke their mark on the world footballing stage, what chance to the nobodies of today stand?
on the other hand with the dearth of investment in the SPL today every club i bringing through youngsters, right now is an exciting time to follow scottish football,simply because there are so many teams now producing quality home-grown youngsters...long may it continue as the future looks a lot brighter than the dross currently on offer
on the other hand with the dearth of investment in the SPL today every club i bringing through youngsters, right now is an exciting time to follow scottish football,simply because there are so many teams now producing quality home-grown youngsters...long may it continue as the future looks a lot brighter than the dross currently on offer
the best thing to come out of the lack of money in the SPL is that it looks like there are some great young players coming through!
Eg Falkirk have Arfield and Hearts seem to have a great one in Glen to name just too.
Even below the SPL there appears to be better young players like McDonald at Scumdee, McCarthy & McCarther at Hamilton and Jackson at St. J.
I wouldn't say that the standard has fallen in the SPL, sometimes its easier to look back at players and think that they are great. Teams in Scotland are getting further than before in Europe and the national team is doing well too.
the best thing to come out of the lack of money in the SPL is that it looks like there are some great young players coming through!
Eg Falkirk have Arfield and Hearts seem to have a great one in Glen to name just too.
Even below the SPL there appears to be better young players like McDonald at Scumdee, McCarthy & McCarther at Hamilton and Jackson at St. J.
I wouldn't say that the standard has fallen in the SPL, sometimes its easier to look back at players and think that they are great. Teams in Scotland are getting further than before in Europe and the national team is doing well too.
you do not post often enough mate, always happy to read your posts, well said, hearts actually have several good youngsters, falkirk have a few, killie ahve already brought through a few crackers, as have hibs, the future is brightI think standards have fallen.
I put the Scottish sides doing better in Europe down to an improvement in tactics.
The same goes for the National Team. We have become a solid unit and are ball retention has massively improved. This mens that we are better despite lacking the individual quality we one had.
And how come no-one mentioned any Aberdeen youngsters?
While we lack players coming through just now, we were a step ahead of most in bringing through our own players due to our financial difficulties.
In the game away to Dnipro we started with 8 players who had come through our youth system.
Just a shame our best player was produced by Hearts.
I put the Scottish sides doing better in Europe down to an improvement in tactics.
The same goes for the National Team. We have become a solid unit and are ball retention has massively improved. This mens that we are better despite lacking the individual quality we one had.
And how come no-one mentioned any Aberdeen youngsters?
While we lack players coming through just now, we were a step ahead of most in bringing through our own players due to our financial difficulties.
In the game away to Dnipro we started with 8 players who had come through our youth system.
Just a shame our best player was produced by Hearts.
you do not post often enough mate, always happy to read your posts, well said, hearts actually have several good youngsters, falkirk have a few, killie ahve already brought through a few crackers, as have hibs, the future is bright
I think standards have fallen.
I put the Scottish sides doing better in Europe down to an improvement in tactics.
The same goes for the National Team. We have become a solid unit and are ball retention has massively improved. This mens that we are better despite lacking the individual quality we one had.
And how come no-one mentioned any Aberdeen youngsters?
While we lack players coming through just now, we were a step ahead of most in bringing through our own players due to our financial difficulties.
In the game away to Dnipro we started with 8 players who had come through our youth system.
Just a shame our best player was produced by Hearts.
I put the Scottish sides doing better in Europe down to an improvement in tactics.
The same goes for the National Team. We have become a solid unit and are ball retention has massively improved. This mens that we are better despite lacking the individual quality we one had.
And how come no-one mentioned any Aberdeen youngsters?
While we lack players coming through just now, we were a step ahead of most in bringing through our own players due to our financial difficulties.
In the game away to Dnipro we started with 8 players who had come through our youth system.
Just a shame our best player was produced by Hearts.
yeah to be fair Aberdeen were one of the first to bring the young guys through.
I'm still not convinced standards have fallen too much, coaching has definitely improved but i think thats part of improving the standards. I think our players are more intelligent and not as niave in European football.
Obviously Scottish football isn't quite as good as the days of Dalglish etc. but i don't think its as bad as sometimes its easy to think.
Nonetheless, as Bozi said the futures bright, our under 20s have done well and our national team for the next friendly has 16 players aged under 26.
Apparently we are going to take Michael Stewart off your hands.
Him and Seve could make a pretty solid midfield pairing.
he is a cracking player but playing for the club he supports is doing him no favours he runs about like a headless chicken trying to be the "main man" that drives us forward. we DO have good player but we badly need a manger, the end of this season has simply been a slow-drawn-out-painful death and i am glad it is over and we can start to concentrate on rebuilding .
though i am sure that playing saturday having the robbie nielson testimonial on sunday and playing again on tuesday was always asking for trouble, still ven with that we should beat that shite
Tommy Burns.
Scottish football mourns the death of committed Celtic player who transcended Old Firm rivalries.
Tommy Burns, whose death at the age of 51 was announced this morning, was a committed Celtic man who spent more than 20 years with the club over three separate spells, firstly as a player, then as manager, and most recently as a trusted member of Gordon Strachan's coaching staff.
He joined Celtic as 16-year-old in 1974 and made his first-team debut two years later. For the next 14 years he was a first-team regular, notching up more than 350 league appearances before reaching the end of his Hoops career.
A creative midfielder, Burns won eight caps for Scotland, seven of which came from 1981 to 1983. Cap number eight came five years later, as substitute against England in a Rous Cup clash at Wembley, with Burns receiving recognition for his role in Celtic's league and cup double in their centenary season.
Burns made a farewell Celtic appearance in a friendly against Ajax, before joining Kilmarnock. Facing the Dutch giants in his final match was an emotional experience.
"I wanted to go out with a smile on my face and not a tear in my eye," said Burns. "So I got all of my crying out of the way during the warm-up. I ran about the pitch for 20 minutes with tears running down my cheeks because I knew I would never wear a Celtic jersey again."
The switch to Rugby Park was a good one for Burns. Hugely popular with supporters, in 1992 he became the club's player-manager and promotion to the Premier League arrived in his first season.
He was named Celtic boss in 1994, an appointment which cost the Parkhead club a £100,000 fine when they were judged to have made an illegal approach. Burns lasted three years in the Celtic hotseat, but could not depose Rangers as they completed their run of nine consecutive championships.
His finest moment came at the end of his first campaign, when Celtic beat Airdrie in the Scottish Cup final. In the following season, 1995-96, Burns' exciting team lost just one league match but were still pipped to the title by Rangers, and a year later the manager was out of a job after being dismissed by Fergus McCann.
Burns had spells on the coaching staff at Newcastle and as manager of Reading, but did not last long in England and returned to Celtic in 2000, shortly before Martin O'Neill's arrival from Leicester. O'Neill put Burns in charge of the Celtic youth set-up, and he helped bring through the likes of Shaun Maloney, Stephen McManus and Aiden McGeady.
From March 2002 to January 2007, Burns held a part-time role as Scotland assistant manager under managers Berti Vogts and Walter Smith. When Smith quit to rejoin Rangers, Burns was desperate to succeed him but was overlooked by Scottish Football Association head-hunters and he abandoned his national team role when it became clear he was not a candidate for the top job.
Shortly before his death he had been working as Celtic's head of youth development, as well as maintaining a role on Gordon Strachan's first-team coaching staff. Despite his strong Celtic links, Burns transcended Old Firm rivalries and was admired and liked throughout Scottish football.
He will be sorely missed by the football fraternity. Rangers assistant manager Ally McCoist knew Burns for 25 years and described him recently as "an absolute gentleman".
"You would never hear anybody in football say a bad word about Tommy Burns," said McCoist. "To have been involved in football for so long, that's quite an accolade."
Burns was, said McCoist, "a very good friend" of himself and of Smith. Barry Ferguson, the captain of Rangers and of Scotland, recalled how Burns, despite being a Celtic man, had been eager to help him out of a worrying trough in form.
"We were in the Scotland camp, and Tommy knew that I hadn't been enjoying the best of seasons because of Rangers' results and the injury problems I'd been having with my ankle," Ferguson said. "Tommy came to me and said, 'You're a good player - too good a player not to get through this spell'. You have to appreciate that kind of human touch."
Burns revelled in the Old Firm games but lamented the sectarianism that often accompanied them.
"I think the saddest thing about the Old Firm rivalry is the people who have lost their lives after these games in the past, for such stupid reasons," he once said. "This is football. I remember Jock Stein always said that: it's just a game.
"To think that people can go out with hatred in their heart and take away people's sons or brothers or fathers is just beyond belief. That's the way I think about it now: it's only a game.
"Educate the kids to integrate with one another and not pay any attention to who's a Catholic and who's a Protestant, and any of that rubbish. Just go out there, support your team, make good friends and get on with your lives."
He was first diagnosed with cancer in 2006, and appeared to have beaten the disease. Celtic announced in March of this year that Burns was again being treated, and he could not win his final battle.
Source: - The Guardian
RIP Tommy! My condolences to his family!
He was a great footballer in his day and I had a lot of respect for him as a person. He was a good example to football! He was a quiet "family man", who didn't just give money to charity, but "got off his behind" and actually did some charity work. He didn't advertise the fact, but a nosy redtop reporter once followed him and "caught" him providing the homeless with food, which Tommy did on a regular basis.
Mark Hinton, Goal.com
Scottish football mourns the death of committed Celtic player who transcended Old Firm rivalries.
Tommy Burns, whose death at the age of 51 was announced this morning, was a committed Celtic man who spent more than 20 years with the club over three separate spells, firstly as a player, then as manager, and most recently as a trusted member of Gordon Strachan's coaching staff.
He joined Celtic as 16-year-old in 1974 and made his first-team debut two years later. For the next 14 years he was a first-team regular, notching up more than 350 league appearances before reaching the end of his Hoops career.
A creative midfielder, Burns won eight caps for Scotland, seven of which came from 1981 to 1983. Cap number eight came five years later, as substitute against England in a Rous Cup clash at Wembley, with Burns receiving recognition for his role in Celtic's league and cup double in their centenary season.
Burns made a farewell Celtic appearance in a friendly against Ajax, before joining Kilmarnock. Facing the Dutch giants in his final match was an emotional experience.
"I wanted to go out with a smile on my face and not a tear in my eye," said Burns. "So I got all of my crying out of the way during the warm-up. I ran about the pitch for 20 minutes with tears running down my cheeks because I knew I would never wear a Celtic jersey again."
The switch to Rugby Park was a good one for Burns. Hugely popular with supporters, in 1992 he became the club's player-manager and promotion to the Premier League arrived in his first season.
He was named Celtic boss in 1994, an appointment which cost the Parkhead club a £100,000 fine when they were judged to have made an illegal approach. Burns lasted three years in the Celtic hotseat, but could not depose Rangers as they completed their run of nine consecutive championships.
His finest moment came at the end of his first campaign, when Celtic beat Airdrie in the Scottish Cup final. In the following season, 1995-96, Burns' exciting team lost just one league match but were still pipped to the title by Rangers, and a year later the manager was out of a job after being dismissed by Fergus McCann.
Burns had spells on the coaching staff at Newcastle and as manager of Reading, but did not last long in England and returned to Celtic in 2000, shortly before Martin O'Neill's arrival from Leicester. O'Neill put Burns in charge of the Celtic youth set-up, and he helped bring through the likes of Shaun Maloney, Stephen McManus and Aiden McGeady.
From March 2002 to January 2007, Burns held a part-time role as Scotland assistant manager under managers Berti Vogts and Walter Smith. When Smith quit to rejoin Rangers, Burns was desperate to succeed him but was overlooked by Scottish Football Association head-hunters and he abandoned his national team role when it became clear he was not a candidate for the top job.
Shortly before his death he had been working as Celtic's head of youth development, as well as maintaining a role on Gordon Strachan's first-team coaching staff. Despite his strong Celtic links, Burns transcended Old Firm rivalries and was admired and liked throughout Scottish football.
He will be sorely missed by the football fraternity. Rangers assistant manager Ally McCoist knew Burns for 25 years and described him recently as "an absolute gentleman".
"You would never hear anybody in football say a bad word about Tommy Burns," said McCoist. "To have been involved in football for so long, that's quite an accolade."
Burns was, said McCoist, "a very good friend" of himself and of Smith. Barry Ferguson, the captain of Rangers and of Scotland, recalled how Burns, despite being a Celtic man, had been eager to help him out of a worrying trough in form.
"We were in the Scotland camp, and Tommy knew that I hadn't been enjoying the best of seasons because of Rangers' results and the injury problems I'd been having with my ankle," Ferguson said. "Tommy came to me and said, 'You're a good player - too good a player not to get through this spell'. You have to appreciate that kind of human touch."
Burns revelled in the Old Firm games but lamented the sectarianism that often accompanied them.
"I think the saddest thing about the Old Firm rivalry is the people who have lost their lives after these games in the past, for such stupid reasons," he once said. "This is football. I remember Jock Stein always said that: it's just a game.
"To think that people can go out with hatred in their heart and take away people's sons or brothers or fathers is just beyond belief. That's the way I think about it now: it's only a game.
"Educate the kids to integrate with one another and not pay any attention to who's a Catholic and who's a Protestant, and any of that rubbish. Just go out there, support your team, make good friends and get on with your lives."
He was first diagnosed with cancer in 2006, and appeared to have beaten the disease. Celtic announced in March of this year that Burns was again being treated, and he could not win his final battle.
Source: - The Guardian
RIP Tommy! My condolences to his family!
He was a great footballer in his day and I had a lot of respect for him as a person. He was a good example to football! He was a quiet "family man", who didn't just give money to charity, but "got off his behind" and actually did some charity work. He didn't advertise the fact, but a nosy redtop reporter once followed him and "caught" him providing the homeless with food, which Tommy did on a regular basis.
Mark Hinton, Goal.com
