Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting (1 Viewer)

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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The problem with these sort of "blacklists", like the No-Fly List, is that you frequently get the wrong person. There's no judge, there's no jury, but you're automatically guilty of whatever because some bureaucrat says so. But I am for background checks and allowing gun shoppes the discretion not to sell you the firearm "just because."
The vendor's interests to sell as much as possible is hardly aligned with society's interest to keep guns from being sold to just anyone. Is this some kind of self regulation à la Wall Street you mean?
 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
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Look at Canada's crime rates and then look at USA's.

We have a lot of guns as well in circulation and we don't slaughter each other as much as you do.
Great point. It has nothing to do with the guns its a problem with the culture. In Switzerland almost all citizens have arms and they have the lowest crime. Gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens. People who want a gun to do something illegal will get it no matter the laws.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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Why do people even want those automatic and assault weapons?
Same reason you would want to own any gun i guess. "assault weapons" is a very broad term political label now anyway, it doesn't really mean something specific.
You're probably right but I think banning automatic weapons would still be positive, though.
The only way you can legally buy automatic weapons in the US is to register them with a class 3 federal firearms license. I guarantee that if you look statistics from the past year you will see that not a single one of them was used in a violent crime anywhere in the country..
 

acmilan

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Nov 8, 2005
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Wis. lawmaker wants teachers to carry guns; he cites Israel, Thailand; school officials say problems are not that bad

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1514293...maker-wants-teachers-carry-guns/#.UMueDncq4UM
wonderful, right up your alley, ha ... didn't read the article but I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that this lawmaker is a republican - best medicine for having too many guns out there is putting even more guns in unqualified hands.

That will sure solve the problem - instead of school shootings by students or outsiders, now we are gonna have to deal with shooting carried out by pissed off teachers, driven to the edge and beyond by undisciplined students. Guess that's one way to weed off the bad seeds early on.

so, which one is it gonna be - now we turn the teachers into commandos or turn the commandos into teachers? Well, considering we are at the back of the line in education, we might as well put the good old special forces vets to good use after retirement. That PTSD thing might be a bit of an issue but that will probably keep them on the edge with quicker trigger-reaction times.

There you go, problem solved, the republican/tea-bagger way :tup:
what a beautiful pro-gun argument conveniently forgetting about the mass shootings carried out by people 21 or older like that theater shooting in Colorado or the Virginia Tech shooting, where those nutjobs bought their guns - some automatics in there too, iirc - from the shop, legally, just days earlier. And that's just to scratch the surface.
Or, say a number of other school shootings, like Colombine iirc, where the student-shooters got the guns from their parents (legally possessed guns, mind you).

But hey some guy on a forum somehow managed to make a half-assed, most likely poorly informed argument, as details are still pretty sketchy, how this particular shooting couldn't have been prevented by strict gun control, so screw the other 1000+ that could have and hip-hip-hooray to the NRA.
 

Lapa

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Sep 29, 2008
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Well, all I know is that the lobbyists wrote the healthcare bill and prices continue to go up.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-...rchitect-obamacare-jumps-ship-johnson-johnson

If you want the government to "fix things", you first need a legitimate government.
Okay Andy, I don't have the energy to read that link right now (feeling a bit dizzy etc). I have no idea what's going on with your government etc...and I don't actually care. But I still think that there's something pretty fucked up with your country.
 

acmilan

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Nov 8, 2005
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How many deaths/casualties?
guess would be about 10/shooting on average. Kind of hard to follow 'cause here a mass shooting with fewer than 3-4 people dead, school or not, hardly even make the news and get mentioned towards the end, right before the viagra commercials. to really hit primetime, you'd have to have at least 10, preferably 15 and more people dead, if children, even better for the coverage.
So, it's kind of a wash but 10 victims a piece is probably a decent estimate.
 

Tak!

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Jun 23, 2011
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So Canada and Switzerland have few shootings/low crime rate. Then why need the gun anyway?
My heart goes to the innocent.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Same reason you would want to own any gun i guess. "assault weapons" is a very broad term political label now anyway, it doesn't really mean something specific.

The only way you can legally buy automatic weapons in the US is to register them with a class 3 federal firearms license. I guarantee that if you look statistics from the past year you will see that not a single one of them was used in a violent crime anywhere in the country..
Indeed.

And the alternative is Mexico where they have a complete ban. Of course, our criminal government has a hand in shipping them into Mexico, but that's another story. The drug cartels receive their funding and firearms from five continents.

The vendor's interests to sell as much as possible is hardly aligned with society's interest to keep guns from being sold to just anyone. Is this some kind of self regulation à la Wall Street you mean?
More like a if you don't follow the law, you'll be out of business sort of regulation. But again, there really is no rule of law in this country anymore as the government is comprised.
 

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