Same Sex Marriage (21 Viewers)

- vOnAm -

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2004
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I think being gay is a disorder, it is against all religion..
If we just do whatever we feel like then y bother having laws?
Just because 2 men are in love doesn't make it morally correct, heck people will feel happy steelin but should we just learn to accept that?
 

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Eaglesnake_1

Senior Member
Mar 28, 2004
2,308
++ [ originally posted by - vOnAm - ] ++
I think being gay is a disorder, it is against all religion..
If we just do whatever we feel like then y bother having laws?
Just because 2 men are in love doesn't make it morally correct, heck people will feel happy steelin but should we just learn to accept that?
I think being gay is sad, unnatural, bad-tasty and whatever....but i believe in free will and defend the right of everyone to have his particular sexual inclinations as long as it doesnt harm anyone...

The example youre using is not valid. Stealing implies to take someone pertenences against his will...homosexuality doesnt .
 

Zlatan

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++


I never said that, but why would I want to teach my children at such a young age something that is against my religion and will be hard to understand for them?


Eeeer, because school and religion are supposed to be seperated? :
 

jaecole

Senior Member
Apr 7, 2005
3,017
From the governments point of view homosexually is not illegal, its a valid sexual orientation. So there is no reason why gay marriage shouldnt be allowed. We are supposed to believe all sexual orienintations are equal? Yeah right.

Most gay people want to marry, not to rub it in your homophobic face, not to make some kind of statement or not to disrespect god. But for the legalities that come with marriage. Why cant two men who live together not have the same legal rights as a family of a man and a woman? Why can they not have an official bond that allows them to organise and plan the rest of their lives through pensions, proporty rights and so on? Gay adoption I dont agree with as that isnt fair on the child, but gay marriage being something that isnt accessible only highlights the stinker of a world we live in.

Or the reason of religion? First religion is a choice and shouldnt be forced on anyone. Most religions exercise free-will so why cant a homosexual decide to marry? For a religious point of view homosexuality is at worst, a sin. Why cant homosexual sinners get married the same way hetrosexual sinners can?

Every human is flawed, its up to god to judge right? With the catholic church its other men deciding the rules. The belief that god is somehow orcastrating this religion has long be lost. A god who is against homosexuals wouldnt have homosexual priests. A god who had any control over his church wouldnt have abusive nuns violating women or paedophile priests corrupting innocent children.

And since we are so concearned with what is right by god. I'll use the bible as an example in this instance.

Dosent the bible also tell us divorce is wrong? Eating certain foods at lent. Im pretty sure molesting children is wrong. Heck the bible tells us to sacrifice animals during marriage and such. Are we enforcing all these teachings?

How many of these anti-homosexual marriage people, who use the excuse of religion for their ignorance are this in touch with bible teachings? If they are then fair enough but the reality is that these same people are usually the adulterers, bigots and wife beaters of this world. I cant see it happen soon, especially not in american, people are just to ignorant to it.

"let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?

Right?
Instead we have George Bush pulling the strings.

Religion :rolleyes:
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Any "__phobia" is, naturally, always about fear.

Does it really matter to Bob and Ethyl in Buloxi, Mississippi if two men in Oregon want to settle down together? Of course not. It's irrelevant to their lives. But it's true that gays exist. They just don't want to see them in their neighborhood, because people who are different make them uncomfortable: Muslims, blacks, Jews, gays, Democrats, what have you. They fear their differences. And in some circumstances, with gays, they fear that knowledge or visibility will turn their family members gay.

When you don't allow gay marriage, and when you support a "don't ask, don't tell" policy in the military, that gives those uncomfortable, and fearful, of those differences the safety zone of denial. Denial is a convenient tool when they encounter gay men in Buloxi, MS -- because they are most certainly there. It's an extra measure to play pretend that homosexuality doesn't exist, and with it they feel a little more safe from it.

The same motivations power a lot of the people who object to things like access to birth control in high schools. Everyone knows there are kids are having sex -- whether or not their school makes birth control available or not. And religious dogma aside, there's little argument that access to birth control for sexually active people is a better social evil than no access at all. But by preventing access, parents can take the psychologically safer (though practically less safe) route of continuing to deny the fact that their teenage sons and daughters are actually having sex.

That veneer of denial is very important to a lot of people. Many people like to live their lives with their heads buried in the sand, so you best not try to take their sand away. They could get ugly.
 

- vOnAm -

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2004
3,779
++ [ originally posted by Eaglesnake_1 ] ++


I think being gay is sad, unnatural, bad-tasty and whatever....but i believe in free will and defend the right of everyone to have his particular sexual inclinations as long as it doesnt harm anyone...

The example youre using is not valid. Stealing implies to take someone pertenences against his will...homosexuality doesnt .

Yup, I agree, bad example...Thanks

Or the reason of religion? First religion is a choice and shouldnt be forced on anyone. Most religions exercise free-will so why cant a homosexual decide to marry? For a religious point of view homosexuality is at worst, a sin. Why cant homosexual sinners get married the same way hetrosexual sinners can?

Every human is flawed, its up to god to judge right? With the catholic church its other men deciding the rules. The belief that god is somehow orcastrating this religion has long be lost. A god who is against homosexuals wouldnt have homosexual priests. A god who had any control over his church wouldnt have abusive nuns violating women or paedophile priests corrupting innocent children.

And since we are so concearned with what is right by god. I'll use the bible as an example in this instance.

Dosent the bible also tell us divorce is wrong? Eating certain foods at lent. Im pretty sure molesting children is wrong. Heck the bible tells us to sacrifice animals during marriage and such. Are we enforcing all these teachings?
But I do think that determining right and wrong is not entirely up to us. And for people like, me, Religion is not merely a choice, it is the Truth, that there is a god and that god has given us guideliness on how to live our lives.

Every human is flawed, but yes we should be enforcing all the teachings in our religion. I am a muslim, but I do also know quite a bit about the bible, and christians and catholics here are also against gays. And as much as religion excercise free will, it is what we do with our free will that determines whethter or not we are in the path of our religion.

Here, I have seen christian priest help gays to become heterosexual, it is actually possible as long as there is a will, desire and help. But if we just let it happen, let people go astray and then justify it, then there will be no second thoughts and no turning back. As we have seen, many teachings have already being abondoned.
Im sorry i couldn't write this in a more organized way as I currently don't have much time. i'll write more latter.
 

Slagathor

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Jul 25, 2001
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The amount of arrogance in this thread is appalling. There are people saying they don't believe someone is or is not born gay and there are people stating it is an illness and a disgrace. Not surprisingly, these comments traditionally come from heterosexuals who have no idea what they're talking about (not that they can be blamed, how could they know?) but who refuse to acknowledge that.
 

Dan

Back & Quack
Mar 9, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
The amount of arrogance in this thread is appalling. There are people saying they don't believe someone is or is not born gay and there are people stating it is an illness and a disgrace. Not surprisingly, these comments traditionally come from heterosexuals who have no idea what they're talking about (not that they can be blamed, how could they know?) but who refuse to acknowledge that.
From my view, no one is born gay. Animals arent born gay, and we are essentialy monkeys at the end of the day. But i believe its absolutely your choice to do whatever you want and it is none of our place to question gay marriage. Espacially because the church looks down on it.
 

Chxta

Onye kwe, Chi ya ekwe
Nov 1, 2004
12,088
++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
The amount of arrogance in this thread is appalling. There are people saying they don't believe someone is or is not born gay and there are people stating it is an illness and a disgrace. Not surprisingly, these comments traditionally come from heterosexuals who have no idea what they're talking about (not that they can be blamed, how could they know?) but who refuse to acknowledge that.
What were males and females made for? I think that homosexuality is the most un-natural and disgusting thing there ever was, and left to me, I'd kill them all!
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++
What were males and females made for? I think that homosexuality is the most un-natural and disgusting thing there ever was, and left to me, I'd kill them all!
I can't say I know nature's grand designs the way that some people can claim with absolute certainty. There is ample evidence of homosexuality among animal species besides humans, so I cannot bring myself to saying it is "unnatural". Even if you believe in a Creator, face the facts: he created homosexuality, because it most certainly exists. Whether homosexuality has a purpose in the grand designs of society and civilization or not remains to be seen, but I'm not going to play god myself and flat out say that it doesn't because I am omniscient.

And the argument that religious teachings are against it are wholly flawed. Religious truth as absolute? We'd otherwise still be banishing Galileo for blasphemously suggesting that the earth revolved around the sun. At least they got it right after 500 years of darkness.

The fact that people are as obsessed with the sexual orientation of other people makes about as much sense to me as obsessing over what is their favorite automobile. It's none of my business.
 

Chxta

Onye kwe, Chi ya ekwe
Nov 1, 2004
12,088
++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++
Well then your quite simply an idiot. Im sure you can find more deserving people to kill coming from where you are no?
I didn't insult you personally, but if you are gay, then fu(k you and all your like.


@ Swag: what animals are gay? Please do tell me. I am curious...

I'm not basing my arguments on any religious leaning, I am just basing them on simple common sense.
 

jaecole

Senior Member
Apr 7, 2005
3,017
++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++


I didn't insult you personally, but if you are gay, then fu(k you and all your like.


@ Swag: what animals are gay? Please do tell me. I am curious...

I'm not basing my arguments on any religious leaning, I am just basing them on simple common sense.
Im not gay.

And its called ignorance.
 

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