Saddam Hussein Sentenced to Death (6 Viewers)

[Martin]

The thing with that is; even if a leader is sincere about his intentions in creating a better world and he would prefer to be honest and straightforward all the time, he can't because his political adversaries will gun him down. There's no escaping it.

And how does this idealistic notion fit in with the current reality?

 

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[Slagathor]

And how does this idealistic notion fit in with the current reality?

It doesn't. I'm saying the language used by politicians is no indicator whatsoever of the situation at hand

 

[mikhail]

i think 50 days till his hanging, gives him time to appeal

No, it'll be within 30 days of his final appeal. That's not a fixed date for now.

 

[Martin]

It doesn't. I'm saying the language used by politicians is no indicator whatsoever of the situation at hand

point taken

 

[Maresca]

true

invaders must expect get killed,of course they are not welcome in Iraq

yeah, this is also valid for turkish army, who try to come to Irak every time they have the chance..

 

[ReBeL]

yeah, this is also valid for turkish army, who try to come to Irak every time they have the chance..

I smell a fight here

 

[Maresca]

I smell a fight here

hehe, no actualy, I just wanna see how he will see this point, as most of turks here in germany are using double standards for this story

 

[Omair]

hehe, no actualy, I just wanna see how he will see this point, as most of turks here in germany are using double standards for this story

You're a weasel ...

 

[mikhail]

Would that be an African or a European weasel?

And what's it's airspeed?

 

[Maresca]

You're a weasel ...

but a good one

 

[ReBeL]

Maresca, may I ask you one question that confused me for a long time??

What do Iraqi kurds feel toward the Turkish Kurds?? I mean, I heard more than once that some Iraqi kurds have helped the Turkish army in their fighting against the Partiya Karkeren Kurdistan. Is that accurate?? And what is the reason for that??

Don't the Kurds everywhere feel that they should react as one nation, and that the borders in Iraq, Turkey, Syria and Iran shouldn't make them many separated nations??

 

[Maresca]

Maresca, may I ask you one question that confused me for a long time??

What do Iraqi kurds feel toward the Turkish Kurds?? I mean, I heard more than once that some Iraqi kurds have helped the Turkish army in their fighting against the Partiya Karkeren Kurdistan. Is that accurate?? And what is the reason for that??

Don't the Kurds everywhere feel that they should react as one nation, and that the borders in Iraq, Turkey, Syria and Iran shouldn't make them many separated nations??

good question mate..
well, this party, also called PKK, say that they are fighting for a free kurdistan. That is ok so far, but the way they are fighting for that is not the right way. many civil people has been killed because of the strategy of PKK, they were kidnaping young boys from the iraqi kurdistan in order to brainwashing them and teach them how to fight. thats why the kurds of North Iraq supported the turkish government to fight some of these groups.
Why the PKK is using this strategy is another question. The kurds in Turkey suffered alot, they were even not able to speak kurdish until early 90s. The turkish government is not investing any money for the kurdish regions. just go to turkey and you´ll see the difference..

 

[Slagathor]

 

[Vinman]

mmh i wonder how you do it, pack so many inaccuracies in so little words:
First and foremost, most of those beheaded are muslim, as for the motive i'd go for money ahead of the idealist altruistic ones. And since when do we "liberators" use "terrorists" as a vantage point. Point is Abu Ghuraib was major PR failure, as is this whole debacle we call war; it's ok for the mightiest nation to come out once in a while and admit fallibility

I guess you aren't aware of the fact that many innocent contractors (non-Muslims) have been beheaded by terrorists groups inside Iraq....maybe you've missed that , or just turned off the television when the news talked about it

I guess many here accept the fact that its ok for these ppl to kill the innocent, but if our soldiers have some abuse allegations against them, OR, innocent ppl accidentally are killed during battle with insurgents by us, then we are the great satan :rolleyes2

 

[Boudz]

I guess you aren't aware of the fact that many innocent contractors (non-Muslims) have been beheaded by terrorists groups inside Iraq....maybe you've missed that , or just turned off the television when the news talked about it

I guess many here accept the fact that its ok for these ppl to kill the innocent, but if our soldiers have some abuse allegations against them, OR, innocent ppl accidentally are killed during battle with insurgents by us, then we are the great satan :rolleyes2

What does that have to do with anything. And who the fvck says its ok to behead innocent people. Do you actually believe that? Do you believe that arabs and muslims accept beheadings? Is that what you tell yourself to quench your guilty conscience? Maybe if you paint that picture in your mind about the Iraqis you can go to sleep at night knowing your soldiers in Iraq are doing a good deed.
and for your poor innocent soldiers what the hell are they doing in Iraq in the first place? Does your government do everything Bush tells them to do? The fact that soldiers from your country are in Iraq to do something that is non of their business and concern whatsoever gives you no right to complain about a chaos that your Government helped create.

 

[Seven]

I guess you aren't aware of the fact that many innocent contractors (non-Muslims) have been beheaded by terrorists groups inside Iraq....maybe you've missed that , or just turned off the television when the news talked about it

I guess many here accept the fact that its ok for these ppl to kill the innocent, but if our soldiers have some abuse allegations against them, OR, innocent ppl accidentally are killed during battle with insurgents by us, then we are the great satan :rolleyes2

I've always wondered how an American would react when Iraq would invade his country to give him the gift of democracy .

 

[Martin]

I've always wondered how an American would react when Iraq would invade his country to give him the gift of democracy .

If it weren't so political I would nominate this for post of the month.

 

[ReBeL]

Perfect replies by Stripper and Seven...

Vinman, we can't deny that there were some RESTRICTED cases of beheading in Iraq that didn't reach in total to 10 cases by anyway...

But we can't also ignore the fact that you are here comparing between a state crime and a crime done by unorganized gangs...

Those who beheaded these people, didn't claim that they're in Iraq to spread freedom ever too...

I don't discuss the legality of these killings, but I hate the way of their killing...

 

[Vinman]

What does that have to do with anything. And who the fvck says its ok to behead innocent people. Do you actually believe that? Do you believe that arabs and muslims accept beheadings? Is that what you tell yourself to quench your guilty conscience? Maybe if you paint that picture in your mind about the Iraqis you can go to sleep at night knowing your soldiers in Iraq are doing a good deed.
and for your poor innocent soldiers what the hell are they doing in Iraq in the first place? Does your government do everything Bush tells them to do? The fact that soldiers from your country are in Iraq to do something that is non of their business and concern whatsoever gives you no right to complain about a chaos that your Government helped create.

ok, lets break this down "Barney-style"

- why should I have a guilty conscience...I've done nothing wrong

- I sleep very well at night, whether I totally agree or not with whats going on over there

- our government is run by Bush, so its only normal that it does what he asks

- your right, WE created the chaos over there....we should have left Saddam in power so he could further oppress the Kurds and Shiites, and maybe Al-Sadr and the rest of the Shiites would not be creating the problems that they are right now.....the whole world would still be oblivious to all that Saddam has done, or would have done in the future

I have an idea, lets put Saddam back in charge...because the entire region, including his own country was scared of him, and things would be much quieter !!!

 

[mikhail]

Gents, could you all please take a deep breath and grow the hell up and cut out the strawman arguments.

I don't expect an actual debate in here, but could we just stop the posting pattern of
-attack accusation that /you based on something /you said /I said
-accuse /you of saying/thinking something /you will violently disagree.
/rinse
//repeat
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