Saddam Hussein Sentenced to Death (1 Viewer)

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Alot of interesting discussion here, some I agree with, some that I don't. Personally...I side with those who say good riddance. However, Saddam's death is nothing to cheer about. Nothing to rejoice on, from an Arab perspective.

Altho this jurisdiction was purely an American setup, there is no doubt in my mind that if this was purely an Iraqi court case, that Saddam wouldve been found guilty.

Regarding Arab perspective taking into account ReBeL's points in particular, I think I understand where he comes from and you guys shouldn't react bitterly to this. For Arab pride, it is a real shame, degrading, humiliation when you have a US Army trooper grabbing a slovenly looking Saddam from some underground hole and telling him, "The president sends ya his regards." (2003)

Iraq is a nation that is TREMENDOUSLY rich in history and culture, and it really hurts to see what the yanks and the west are doing to it now. Yes Saddam is murderer, and deserves to rot like a piece of crap in the hottest place in hell. But in comparison, look at Iraq now and Iraq before: More people are disappearing now, than during Saddam's era. (altho I heard the contrary in a chat-room once, but that is pure BS)

True he ruled out of fear, but you guys need to understand something, and I've heard this stereotype from more than one person (and please any Iraqis here, I do not mean this offensively) - Iraq can only be controlled by a man like Saddam, otherwise it's just a huge free-for-all between Kurds, Sunni, and Shi'a.

This could be blown way out of proportion, but look at what's going on now. Car bomb after car bomb. Holy sites being bombed, that are sacred not only to Shi'a but to Islam as a whole.

I've spoken to several moderate Iraqi Sunni/Shi'a and they all say they don't have problems with the other sect.

Another reason why Saddam is widely popular amongst Arabs (mainly Palestinians and Jordanians) is because of hitting Tel Aviv with two missiles in 1991. Not a single Arab country outside Occupied Palestine had even DARED to hit Israel, while the whole world just sat and watch as poor Palestinians threw rocks at tanks, and armed men.

However, Saddam's actions didn't liberate Palestine...but neither did Oslo, a couple years later. :rolleyes:

Iraq is now being conveniently carved up by the Americans into a Sunni-istan, Shia'istan, and a Kurdistan. Saddam still has supporters, Shi'a want revenge after 20 years+ of oppression, and the Kurds want a legitimate country with a flag, and recognised worldwide.

Zarqawi's gone, but his henchmen are still lurking about, and fuelling the Sunni-Shi'a hatred even more. :(

I honestly don't know how this mess called Iraq can be solved, but I sure hope peace and order are restored for the sake of the people in this great nation.
 

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GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
71,057
Vinman said:
but I guess beheading the many innocent people who came to Iraq to help with the reconstruction is perfectly ok....just because they aren't Muslim
mmh i wonder how you do it, pack so many inaccuracies in so little words:
First and foremost, most of those beheaded are muslim, as for the motive i'd go for money ahead of the idealist altruistic ones. And since when do we "liberators" use "terrorists" as a vantage point. Point is Abu Ghuraib was major PR failure, as is this whole debacle we call war; it's ok for the mightiest nation to come out once in a while and admit fallibility
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,870
Rhizoid said:
Alot of interesting discussion here, some I agree with, some that I don't. Personally...I side with those who say good riddance. However, Saddam's death is nothing to cheer about. Nothing to rejoice on, from an Arab perspective.

Altho this jurisdiction was purely an American setup, there is no doubt in my mind that if this was purely an Iraqi court case, that Saddam wouldve been found guilty.

Regarding Arab perspective taking into account ReBeL's points in particular, I think I understand where he comes from and you guys shouldn't react bitterly to this. For Arab pride, it is a real shame, degrading, humiliation when you have a US Army trooper grabbing a slovenly looking Saddam from some underground hole and telling him, "The president sends ya his regards." (2003)

Iraq is a nation that is TREMENDOUSLY rich in history and culture, and it really hurts to see what the yanks and the west are doing to it now. Yes Saddam is murderer, and deserves to rot like a piece of crap in the hottest place in hell. But in comparison, look at Iraq now and Iraq before: More people are disappearing now, than during Saddam's era. (altho I heard the contrary in a chat-room once, but that is pure BS)

True he ruled out of fear, but you guys need to understand something, and I've heard this stereotype from more than one person (and please any Iraqis here, I do not mean this offensively) - Iraq can only controlled by a man like Saddam, otherwise it's just a huge free-for-all between Kurds, Sunni, and Shi'a.

This could be blown way out of proportion, but look at what's going on now. Car bomb after car bomb. Holy sites being bombed, that are sacred not only to Shi'a but to Islam as a whole.

I've spoken to several moderate Iraqi Sunni/Shi'a and they all say they don't have problems with the other sect.

Another reason why Saddam is widely popular amongst Arabs (mainly Palestinians and Jordanians) is because of hitting Tel Aviv with two missiles in 1991. Not a single Arab country outside Occupied Palestine had even DARED to hit Israel, while the whole world just sat and watch as poor Palestinians threw rocks at tanks, and armed men.

However, Saddam's actions didn't liberate Palestine...but neither did Oslo, a couple years later. :rolleyes:

Iraq is now being conveniently carved up by the Americans into a Sunni-istan, Shia'istan, and a Kurdistan. Saddam still has supporters, Shi'a want revenge after 20 years+ of oppression, and the Kurds want a legitimate country with a flag, and recognised worldwide.

Zarqawi's gone, but his henchmen are still lurking about, and fuelling the Sunni-Shi'a hatred even more. :(

I honestly don't know how this mess called Iraq can be solved, but I sure hope peace and order are restored for the sake of the people in this great nation.
Fair Enough :tup: + Rep
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,912
ßömßärdîër said:
The people killed by Americans are not innocent workers from other nations, and we are not running around with hacksaws chopping guys head's off.
We are also not tied with Albania in gross domestic product, neither do we have our second main export in secondhand goods followed by dates which we're losing five cents a pound on.
 

Boudz

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Aug 1, 2002
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Azzurri7 said:
No wonder why all Palestinians are with Saddam...Simply because he's Sunni.

Is this the way to stop Sheea's rebellion??? and also to say Saddam had his mistakes is a crime IMO...word mistakes is pretty lame and small for someone like Saddam.

I'm Palestinian and I hate Saddam.

The word "mistake" doesnt work here. A mistake is when you drop the soap in jail and ur given a rude awakening. This is no mistake. What did he trip, and land on the "massacre thousands of Kurds with chemical weapons" emergency button?
He shouldnt be executed, he should live the rest of his life in a tiny prison so he can have all the time in the world to reflect back on his actions.
America are making a very big mistake if they make him a Martyr.
Sorry Rebel, I have to disagree with you on this one, He killed arabs and kurds for years and stood up to the west? And thats what you remember him by?
It's like raping a 12 year old girl, and its "ok" as long as you say those magic words "Death to America"!

And for a Samuel Jackson moment of Zen:
"YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE, AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!!"
 

Maresca

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Aug 23, 2004
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I'm Palestinian and I hate Saddam.

The word "mistake" doesnt work here. A mistake is when you drop the soap in jail and ur given a rude awakening. This is no mistake. What did he trip, and land on the "massacre thousands of Kurds with chemical weapons" emergency button?
He shouldnt be executed, he should live the rest of his life in a tiny prison so he can have all the time in the world to reflect back on his actions.
America are making a very big mistake if they make him a Martyr.
Sorry Rebel, I have to disagree with you on this one, He killed arabs and kurds for years and stood up to the west? And thats what you remember him by?
It's like raping a 12 year old girl, and its "ok" as long as you say those magic words "Death to America"!

And for a Samuel Jackson moment of Zen:
"YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE, AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!!"
100% Agree.. great post +rep
 

Maresca

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Aug 23, 2004
8,235
ReBeL said:
Fair Enough :tup: + Rep
:disagree: no and another no.. these people (Kurds, sunis and shiias) have nothing against each other. belive me they can live together, it is only politics which try to make trouble between them. What is happening now in Irak is absolutly normal for a folk, which have never seen freedom. It will take time until we will have democary and peace in Irak. In the kurdish part of Irak, which was freed from the iraqi regime 1991 we also had trouble between the kurds themselves. But now every thing is getting better and better.
 

ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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Maresca said:
:disagree: no and another no.. these people (Kurds, sunis and shiias) have nothing against each other. belive me they can live together, it is only politics which try to make trouble between them. What is happening now in Irak is absolutly normal for a folk, which have never seen freedom. It will take time until we will have democary and peace in Irak. In the kurdish part of Irak, which was freed from the iraqi regime 1991 we also had trouble between the kurds themselves. But now every thing is getting better and better.
I hope you're right, Mate...

A prosperous future is what I love to see in Iraq, but I don't think it will be in the next ten years...
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,535
ReBeL said:
I hope you're right, Mate...

A prosperous future is what I love to see in Iraq, but I don't think it will be in the next ten years...
Exactly :agree:

This Saddam sentence will only make things worse, one part of muslims are happy and one part wants revenge and that cannot be good. I would like to see all theese killings and wars at the middle east stop, but it's just impossible for at least 10-20 years.
 

Omair

Herticity
Sep 27, 2006
3,253
goggo said:
Exactly :agree:

This Saddam sentence will only make things worse, one part of muslims are happy and one part wants revenge and that cannot be good. I would like to see all theese killings and wars at the middle east stop, but it's just impossible for at least 10-20 years.

We all sure hope that happens soon .. It hurts all of us when we see a major part of our history and heritage all messed up ..
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
56,913
So apparently the White House is adamant about avoiding the term 'civil war', which is exactly what was predicted of an invasion of Iraq years ago.
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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Martin said:
So apparently the White House is adamant about avoiding the term 'civil war', which is exactly what was predicted of an invasion of Iraq years ago.
Oh yes. "Terrorists"... "Insurgents"... the terminology used colours people's opinion of what's going on. God, we're such a gullible species.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
56,913
It's amazing how the political scene is dominated by what phrases we use to describe the reality around us. 'Bad' phrases are shot down immediately. 'Appropriate' phrases are substituted in. Nevermind what is actually happening over there.

EDIT: I distinctly recall some pundit adamant about how this is not a civil war, where he basically reduced the whole thing down to semantics. 'Civil war blah blah is different fraction fighting for the control of a single government, what's happening in Iraq is different fractions fighting for control of their own areas blah blah.'
 

Falafel

Shawarma
Jul 23, 2006
4,300
ßömßärdîër said:
The people killed by Americans are not innocent workers from other nations, and we are not running around with hacksaws chopping guys head's off.

So chill out.
im not saying what the so called muslim groups are doing, but remember, no one asked america to step in
u cant go in a country,try to take control of it, and not expect to get killed.
 
Jul 2, 2006
19,508
juventus710 said:
im not saying what the so called muslim groups are doing, but remember, no one asked america to step in
u cant go in a country,try to take control of it, and not expect to get killed.
true

invaders must expect get killed,of course they are not welcome in Iraq
 

Slagathor

Bedpan racing champion
Jul 25, 2001
22,708
Martin said:
It's amazing how the political scene is dominated by what phrases we use to describe the reality around us. 'Bad' phrases are shot down immediately. 'Appropriate' phrases are substituted in. Nevermind what is actually happening over there.

EDIT: I distinctly recall some pundit adamant about how this is not a civil war, where he basically reduced the whole thing down to semantics. 'Civil war blah blah is different fraction fighting for the control of a single government, what's happening in Iraq is different fractions fighting for control of their own areas blah blah.'
The thing with that is; even if a leader is sincere about his intentions in creating a better world and he would prefer to be honest and straightforward all the time, he can't because his political adversaries will gun him down. There's no escaping it.
 
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