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    AFL_ITALIA said:
    With the little I know, I still think the best option for Russia would be to just let them have an election again and don't even bother with the region again except for trade. As for Putin, even once he leaves office he'll definitely have someone to do his bidding installed no doubt. Quite a few Russians I've spoken to think that democracy cannot work in Russia, that they need a "strong hand" to guide them.

    The only thing I can recall involving Russia and Chechens from my childhood is this disgusting act:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis
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    Yep, we need a "strong hand", but after Stalin period we didn't had one :sergio: Stalin was very good, we won a huge war, we started spaceship program, we were the most progressive economy etc. etc., don't listen to anybody who is talking shit about him, the repressions, thestarvation and some other crap, there were a lot of bad people in the government in that period and Stalin couldn't remove them in 1 day, he spent around 6-7 years to do it! And the propaganda against Stalin in USSR has begun because of Khrushchev, jealous motherfucker, he was anti-stalinist, he was attributing all the troubles and tribulations of the Soviet Union to Stalin's name! Even today, Stalin is the of the most popular personalities in Russia, but many are doing everything to discredit him. Look what kind of personal items he left after his death:
    1. Notebook for records in a cover of gray skin color;
    2. Notebook, leather, red;
    3. Personal records, notes, compiled on separate sheets of paper and vouchers. Numbered only 67 sheets (sixty-seven)
    4. Overall notebook with records cover is red;
    5. Smoking pipes - 5. These 4 boxes and specials. devices, and tobacco. In the office of Comrade Stalin: books, desk accessories, gifts are not included in the list.
    The master bedroom and dressing room:
    6. Tunic white - 2 pieces.
    7. Gray tunic, p / day - 2 pcs.;
    8. Tunic of dark green - 2 pieces.;
    9. Pants - 10;
    He was absolutely modest leader of the country

    As for terrorism - fuck'em all, for me terrorism has no nationality and i have no problems with the muslims, but whenever the normal peaceful muslims are telling me that there is no such a thing like "holy war" in Quran it's makes me sick, day after day radical muslims are kiling people, and i can't call it "holy war" at all because mostly they are killing other muslims just because some of them are sunni, others are shiites or salafis. Just look at the boston terrorits for example, what they lacked in life? The oThey were so lucky to escape from Chechnya during the war, pulled the lucky ticket and moved to USA, they had a normal life, younger was in college, older was boxing, so why the hell they did that?! Like i heard Obama promised citizenship to all illegal or halflegal people in the USA, so just live ur life and enjoy, but no, it's better to blow up somebody :sergio:



    http://vk.com/id160300242 - this is 2nd terrorist account in the russian social network, last time he was at the website on 19 april 5am moscow time ~ around midnight in Boston, so police were already around their crib at that time lol
    I'm going to translate you some posts that were published there by other users
    "May allah forgive you. Death to all infidels!" - http://vk.com/chen_hong - muslim
    "Kill them all! I want you to kill them both by day and night! They did not understand the lesson! Embedding of the airplane in their mother For the sake of Allah do it. Alhamdullilyah!" http://vk.com/soslan_95 - muslim
    "Insha Allah! Death to America!" http://vk.com/id160300242 - muslim
    "Infidels got his own! Today Moscow is ours, and soon Boston take Inshallah!!" http://vk.com/ilham_90 muslim

    What the fuck is going on with all of them?
    signs1.jpg

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    On the other hand, conspiracy theory has begun already, people are talking about this organization - www.thecraft.com and check this picture http://cs521611.vk.me/u9610198/doc/6db5c69240f0/file.jpg
    @AFL_ITALIA Looking strange, what these army mens are doing there all together?
     

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    Juventino[RUS];4135463 said:
    Brainwashed ukranian who thinks that Stalin is the reason of the great famine back in 1930s :sergio:
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    brainwashed russian who thinks he know history and thinks with stereotypes. I didn't mention femane anywhere.

    :sergio:

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    I don't hate russians. I hate people who kill another people without any reason. But I don't hate russians. I love russians, they are awesome. But guys like you usually manage to fuck up everything.

    :sergio:
     
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    Juventino[RUS];4135472 said:
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    Ok.

    Following the October Revolution, a civil war broke out between the anti-communist White movement and the new Soviet regime with its Red Army. Russia lost its Ukrainian, Polish, Baltic, and Finnish territories by signing the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk that concluded hostilities with the Central Powers in World War I. The Allied powers launched an unsuccessful military intervention in support of anti-Communist forces, while both the Bolsheviks and White movement carried out campaigns of deportations and executions against each other, known respectively as the Red Terror and White Terror. By the end of the civil war, the Russian economy and infrastructure were heavily damaged. Millions became White émigrés, and the Povolzhye famine of 1921 claimed up to 5 million victims.

    The Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (called Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic at the time) together with the Ukrainian, Byelorussian, and Transcaucasion Soviet Socialist Republics, formed the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), or Soviet Union, on 30 December 1922. Out of the 15 total republics that would make up the USSR, the Russian SFSR was the largest in terms of size, and making up over half of the total USSR population, dominated the union for its entire 69-year history.

    Following Lenin's death in 1924, a troika had been designated to govern the Soviet Union. However, Joseph Stalin, an elected General Secretary of the Communist Party, managed to put down all opposition groups within the party and consolidate much power in his hands. Leon Trotsky, the main proponent of the world revolution, was exiled from the Soviet Union in 1929, and Stalin's idea of Socialism in One Country became the primary line. The continued internal struggle in the Bolshevik party culminated in the Great Purge, a period of mass repressions in 1937–38, in which hundreds of thousands of people were executed, including original party members and military leaders convicted in coup d'état plots.

    Under Stalin's leadership, the government launched a planned economy, industrialisation of the largely rural country, and collectivization of its agriculture. During this period of rapid economical and social changes, millions of people were sent to penal labor camps, including many political convicts who opposed Stalin's rule, and millions were deported and exiled to remote areas of the Soviet Union. The transitional disorganisation of the country's agriculture, combined with the harsh state policies and a drought, led to the Soviet famine of 1932–1933. However, though with a heavy price, the Soviet Union was transformed from a largely agrarian economy to a major industrial powerhouse in a short span of time.

    The Appeasement policy of Great Britain and France towards Adolf Hitler's annexation of Austria and Czechoslovakia enlarged the might of Nazi Germany and put a threat of war to the Soviet Union. Around the same time the Third Reich allied with the Empire of Japan, a rival of the USSR in the Far East and an open enemy in the Soviet–Japanese Border Wars in 1938–39.

    In August 1939, after another failure of attempts to establish an anti-Nazi alliance with Britain and France, the Soviet government decided to improve relations with Germany by concluding the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, pledging non-aggression between the two countries and dividing their spheres of influence in Eastern Europe. While Hitler conquered Poland, France and other countries acting on single front at the start of World War II, the USSR was able to build up its military and claim some of the former territories of the Russian Empire as a result of the Soviet invasion of Poland, Winter War and occupation of the Baltic states.

    On 22 June 1941, Nazi Germany broke the non-aggression treaty and invaded the Soviet Union with the largest and most powerful invasion force in human history, opening the largest theater of World War II. Although the German army had considerable success early on, their onslaught was halted in the Battle of Moscow. Subsequently the Germans were dealt major defeats first at the Battle of Stalingrad in the winter of 1942–43, and then in the Battle of Kursk in the summer of 1943. Another German failure was the Siege of Leningrad, in which the city was fully blockaded on land between 1941–44 by German and Finnish forces, suffering starvation and more than a million deaths, but never surrendering. Under Stalin's administration and the leadership of such commanders as Georgy Zhukov and Konstantin Rokossovsky, Soviet forces drove through Eastern Europe in 1944–45 and captured Berlin in May 1945. In August 1945 the Soviet Army ousted Japanese from China's Manchukuo and North Korea, contributing to the allied victory over Japan.

    The 1941–45 period of World War II is known in Russia as the Great Patriotic War. In this conflict, which included many of the most lethal battle operations in human history, Soviet military and civilian deaths were 10.6 million and 15.9 million respectively, accounting for about a third of all World War II casualties. The full demographic loss to the Soviet peoples was even greater. The Soviet economy and infrastructure suffered massive devastation but the Soviet Union emerged as an acknowledged superpower.

    The Red Army occupied Eastern Europe after the war, including East Germany. Dependent socialist governments were installed in the Eastern Bloc satellite states. Becoming the world's second nuclear weapons power, the USSR established the Warsaw Pact alliance and entered into a struggle for global dominance, known as the Cold War, with the United States and NATO. The Soviet Union supported revolutionary movements across the world, including the newly formed People's Republic of China, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea and, later on, the Republic of Cuba. Significant amounts of the Soviet resources were allocated in aid to the other socialist states.

    After Stalin's death and a short period of collective rule, new leader Nikita Khrushchev denounced the cult of personality of Stalin and launched the policy of de-Stalinization. Penal labor system was reformed and many prisoners were released and rehabilitated (many of them posthumously). The general easement of repressive policies became known later as the Khrushchev Thaw. At the same time, tensions with the United States heightened when the two rivals clashed over the deployment of the U.S. Jupiter missiles in Turkey and Soviet missiles in Cuba.

    In 1957 the Soviet Union launched the world's first artificial satellite, Sputnik 1, thus starting the Space Age. Russian cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin became the first human to orbit the Earth aboard Vostok 1 manned spacecraft on 12 April 1961.

    Following the ousting of Khrushchev in 1964, another period of collective rule ensued, until Leonid Brezhnev became the leader. The era of 1970s and the early 1980s was designated later as the Era of Stagnation, a period when the economic growth slowed and social policies became static. The 1965 Kosygin reform, aimed into partial decentralization of the Soviet economy and shifting the emphasis from heavy industry and weapons to light industry and consumer goods, was stifled by the conservative Communist leadership.

    In 1979, after a Communist-led revolution in Afghanistan, Soviet forces entered the country by request of the new regime. The occupation drained economic resources and dragged on without achieving meaningful political results. Ultimately the Soviet Army was withdrawn from Afghanistan in 1989 because of international opposition, persistent anti-Soviet guerilla warfare (enhanced by the U.S.), and a lack of support from Soviet citizens.

    From 1985 onwards, the last Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, who sought to enact liberal reforms in the Soviet system, introduced the policies of glasnost (openness) and perestroika (restructuring) in an attempt to end the period of economic stagnation in the country and democratise the government. However, this led to the rise of strong nationalist and separatist movements. Prior to 1991, the Soviet economy was the second largest in the world, but during its last years it was afflicted by shortages of goods in grocery stores, huge budget deficits, and explosive growth in money supply leading to inflation.

    By 1991, economic and political turmoil were beginning to boil over, as the Baltic republics chose to secede from the Union. On 17 March, a referendum was held, to which the vast majority of participating citizens voted in favour of preserving the Soviet Union as a renewed federation. In August 1991, a coup d'état attempt by members of Gorbachev's government, directed against Gorbachev and aimed at preserving the Soviet Union, instead led to the end of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Despite the will expressed by the people, on 25 December 1991, the USSR was dissolved into 15 post-Soviet states.
     
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    Interdestroyer said:
    Following Lenin's death in 1924, a troika had been designated to govern the Soviet Union. However, Joseph Stalin, an elected General Secretary of the Communist Party, managed to put down all opposition groups within the party and consolidate much power in his hands. Leon Trotsky, the main proponent of the world revolution, was exiled from the Soviet Union in 1929, and Stalin's idea of Socialism in One Country became the primary line. The continued internal struggle in the Bolshevik party culminated in the Great Purge, a period of mass repressions in 1937–38, in which hundreds of thousands of people were executed, including original party members and military leaders convicted in coup d'état plots.

    Under Stalin's leadership, the government launched a planned economy, industrialisation of the largely rural country, and collectivization of its agriculture. During this period of rapid economical and social changes, millions of people were sent to penal labor camps, including many political convicts who opposed Stalin's rule, and millions were deported and exiled to remote areas of the Soviet Union. The transitional disorganisation of the country's agriculture, combined with the harsh state policies and a drought, led to the Soviet famine of 1932–1933. However, though with a heavy price, the Soviet Union was transformed from a largely agrarian economy to a major industrial powerhouse in a short span of time.
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    Stalin wasn't author of repressions :sergio: I have a lot of material to prove it, but it's on russian language, i'll translate it through the google, hope it could be accessibly.

    Speaking about the persecution that took place in the Stalin years, anti-Soviet propaganda asserts the following:

    The Nazis destroyed other nations, and the Communists - his
    20 million killed in the war with the Germans, twenty - at war with its people;
    It was shot in 10 million people;
    40, 50, 60 up to 120 (!) Million past camps;
    Almost all those arrested were innocent - they were placed on the basis of the fact that the mother tore hungry children 5 ears of corn in a field or carried off a spool of thread with production and get paid for it 10 years;
    Almost all those arrested were herded into camps for the construction of canals and tree felling, where the majority of the prisoners, and they died;
    When asked why the people did not rise when it exterminated, they usually say: "The people did not know that." In this case, the fact that people are unaware of the extent of repression has been confirmed not only almost all the people who lived at the time, but also numerous written sources.

    In this regard, it is worth noting a few important questions to which there are not only intelligible, but no response at all.
    Where did such an incredible number of prisoners? After all, 40 million prisoners - it is the population of the then Ukraine and Belarus together or the entire population of France, or the entire urban population of the USSR at the time. The arrest and transportation of thousands of Chechens and Ingush was noted by contemporaries of deportation as a shocking event, and that's understandable. Why did the arrest and transportation of many times more people were not mentioned witnesses? During the famous 'evacuation to the East' in 41-42 years. were transported deep into the rear 10 million people. The evacuees were living in schools and makeshift camps, anywhere. This fact is all the older generation remembers. It was 10 million, about the same as 40 and those over 50, 60 and so on?
    Almost all of the witnesses of those years has been a massive movement and work on construction sites prisoners of the Germans, they could not miss. People still remember that, for example, 'this road was built German prisoners. "The prisoners in the Soviet Union was about 3 million, it's a lot of work and the fact so many people fail to notice is not possible. What then shall we say about the number of 'cons' of about 10-20 times more than that? Only the fact that the very fact of moving and work on construction sites of such an incredible number of prisoners should simply shake the population of the USSR. This fact would be passed from mouth to mouth, even decades later. Was it? No.

    How to transport to remote areas on the road so many people, and what form of transport available in those years when it was used? Large-scale construction of roads in Siberia and in the North began much later. Moving the huge multi-million (!) Of masses of people in the taiga and no roads at all unrealistic - there is no way to supply them during the days-long journey.

    Which housed the prisoners? It is assumed that in the barracks, hardly anyone would build skyscrapers in the forest for the prisoners. However, even a large hut can accommodate more people than the usual five-story, high-rise buildings and so are building, and 40 million - that's 10 cities the size of the then Moscow. Were bound to be traces of giant settlements. Where are they? Nowhere. If the scatter is the number of prisoners on a huge number of small camps located in remote sparsely populated areas that they will not be able to supply. In addition, transportation costs, taking into account off-road will be unimaginable. If they are placed close to the roads and large population, the entire population of the country immediately know about the huge number of prisoners. In fact, around the towns should be a large number of very specific structures that are not overlooked or mistaken for something else impossible.
    The famous White Sea Canal was built 150,000 prisoners Kirov hydro - 90000. About the fact that these facilities were built convicts knew the whole country. And those numbers - nothing compared to the tens of millions. Tens of millions of 'prisoners of slaves' had to leave behind a truly cyclopean structures. Where are the facilities and how are they called? Questions that do not have the answers, you can continue.
    Where is housed detainees? The detainees are rarely found together with serving a sentence for this purpose there are special detention centers. Keep arrested in normal buildings can not - you need special conditions, therefore, were to be built in every city in large numbers remand prisons, designed for tens of thousands of prisoners each. It should have been building a monstrous, because even in the famous Butyrka contain a maximum of 7,000 inmates. Even if we assume that the population of the USSR was suddenly struck blind and did not notice the construction of giant prison, the prison - a thing that can not be hidden and unnoticed can not be undone by other structures. Where did they go after Stalin? After the Pinochet coup 30,000 prisoners had to be placed in the stadiums. By the way, the fact that it was immediately seen the world. What then shall we say about the millions?
    To the question: 'Where are the mass graves of innocent victims who were buried millions of people?', You do not hear any credible answer. After tuning propaganda naturally be the opening of secret mass graves of millions of victims at these sites were to be installed obelisks and monuments, but none of that at all. Please note that burial at Babi Yar is now known all over the world and this fact of mass extermination by the Nazis Soviet people immediately recognized the whole Ukraine. According to various estimates, there were destroyed from seventy to two hundred thousand people. It is clear that if you hide the fact of the execution and burial of this magnitude was not possible, that we talk about numbers 50-100 times larger?
     
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