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s4tch

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Kopanja said:
The US would not fight Europe
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if 2 months ago anyone would say that the new sec.def would stop caring about russian cyberattacks, or trump would openly support russia in the un, in front of the whole world, we would have said that nah, they won't go that far. and here we are. trump jr was already quoted saying that murica should send weapons to russia instead of ukraine, and musk just recently agreed that the us should leave nato and the un. the next logical step for them is to go full retard. i wouldn't exclude murican military support to russia before trump leaves office. and even if he drops dead finally, that chubby fuckface vance is an equally avid putin cocksucker

i can totally see murica "making a deal" with china, israel and russia. russia gets to occupy ukraine and europe, china gets taiwan & australia, murica gets canada and greenland, israel gets palestine

btw half of europe are fed up with liberalism. it needs to reinvent itself, without the woke bs, concentrating on what really matters. i'm all for it though
 

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Kopanja

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Half of Europe does not know what liberalism is, they are thinking about some woke, migrants, that beautiful asbestos factory that went away or other bullshit. That’s because they’ve never picked a book and spend too much time on social media.
What it leads to you can see unfolding in the US, not even talking about how much trouble Europe got itself into last time they were “done with liberalism”.
Liberalism is in the core of the Western civilization, ditch it just because the most dumb people of any particular country are dumb is not very pragmatic.
Not even talking about what those same “fed up” people proposing instead.
 
s4tch

s4tch

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Kopanja said:
Half of Europe does not know what liberalism is, they are thinking about some woke, migrants, that beautiful asbestos factory that went away or other bullshit. That’s because they’ve never picked a book and spend too much time on social media.
What it leads to you can see unfolding in the US, not even talking about how much trouble Europe got itself into last time they were “done with liberalism”.
Liberalism is in the core of the Western civilization, ditch it just because the most dumb people of any particular country are dumb is not very pragmatic.
Not even talking about what those same “fed up” people proposing instead.
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i know. that's why liberals need to reinvent themselves so that they can actually talk to the masses. and masses need dumbed down messages in 2025 that work in short videos and single pictures, you know that very well too
 
U Picciriddu

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s4tch said:
it needs military backing though. if the donald goes full retard we wouldn't stand a chance against russia and the us
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We miss the manpower, the production (we have some and especially the smaller things like grenades are easy to upscale), we need the US for command and control (Ukraine has the Delta system which works, we might just copy that) and in terms of communication we have to take a loot to Starlink and build a European system. There’s a lot of work to do. Honestly if I were a politician I’d handle this very existential and would by no means count on the US. If you get to a scenario where they will help with something it would just be a bonus. The same goes for energy dependence and production

I read a interesting piece on how the UK had their ‘Minister of Munitions’ after the Shell Crisis during WW1, they were able to scale their industry quite fast.

As for other things, like drones, Ukraine already does a excellent job by the way. We should learn from them. Also when it comes to innovation, they’re the best in the world.

Its interesting to see that we went from a scenario where we trained the Ukrainian army last years, to a scenario where things will turn around and they might actually train us.

This war in terms of warfare is very revolutionary, it will never be the same with the introduction of mass usage of drones, but also the geopolitical implications changed the landscape for the coming decade.
 
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