Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (112 Viewers)

Kopanja

Senior Member
Jul 30, 2015
5,596
I'm asking because I carefully ignored as much as I could cause it was really too stressful to listen daily to news wondering what's true and what's not
In a nutshell, Russia intends to break Ukraine as a state to absorb it back into the empire to use us in the next big war against Europe. Ergo, any peace deal without proper security guarantees doesn't make sense, and there are no proper security guarantees on the horizon and never will be. Hence, the war will go on until they break us completely or we kill enough of them. I'd say 2-3 years more is a safe bet. Sanctions are not very effective because no one enforces them. Is Russia or Ukraine on the verge of defeat – no, far from it.

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Ok, it was nice talking to some of you, people. Take care.
 

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ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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In a nutshell, Russia intends to break Ukraine as a state to absorb it back into the empire to use us in the next big war against Europe. Ergo, any peace deal without proper security guarantees doesn't make sense, and there are no proper security guarantees on the horizon and never will be. Hence, the war will go on until they break us completely or we kill enough of them. I'd say 2-3 years more is a safe bet. Sanctions are not very effective because no one enforces them. Is Russia or Ukraine on the verge of defeat – no, far from it.

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Ok, it was nice talking to some of you, people. Take care.
best of luck bro
 

Valerio.

Senior Member
Jul 5, 2014
5,767
In a nutshell, Russia intends to break Ukraine as a state to absorb it back into the empire to use us in the next big war against Europe. Ergo, any peace deal without proper security guarantees doesn't make sense, and there are no proper security guarantees on the horizon and never will be. Hence, the war will go on until they break us completely or we kill enough of them. I'd say 2-3 years more is a safe bet. Sanctions are not very effective because no one enforces them. Is Russia or Ukraine on the verge of defeat – no, far from it.

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Ok, it was nice talking to some of you, people. Take care.
why would they absorb whole Ukraine? I mean I wouldn't absorb it. It's basically all ruins to rebuild. It would cost a freaking much. I heard something like 300-500billions of euro to rebuild Ukraine from scratch.
Also everything depends on americans. If they can keep up funding this war or not. What will happen if Trump get's elected again? you can very much bet on him stop sending money and weapons to Ukraine. If that's happens there is no way Europe will take over if USA back off.

Do you really think at some point russians will say something: "you know what? we'll go back home"? I mean if they surrender as you said even with security guarantees I don't see them paying damages. Like it would already be an optimistic step them going back on their own but anything more how likely is it?
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,834
My best bet for this year is to lose a foot, and tbh, especially if amputation is not too high, I am alright with that. Will replace it with cybernetics and shit, GiS style.

You have nothing to be sorry about, my man. I just hope that you and proper Americans won't allow MAGA to win, for the sake of all mankind, even idiots who root for Russia/China/Iran, even idiots from TuZ.
I can't even begin to imagine what you're going through, but I will continue to hope for the absolute best for you.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,915
tucker got fucked hard here. even those who pay the traitors despise them.


btw i read a resumé in hungarian, based on this the whole interview was a history lesson by putin, and tucker provided him the visibility to tell it to the whole world. what a tool
 

Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
75,667
tucker got fucked hard here. even those who pay the traitors despise them.


btw i read a resumé in hungarian, based on this the whole interview was a history lesson by putin, and tucker provided him the visibility to tell it to the whole world. what a tool
I like how he blamed Poland for starting WWII.
 
Jun 16, 2020
12,435
Listened to most of it. It really was less than worse than anticipated. I think that the overal framework of the interview wasn’t bad. It wasn’t a interview of ‘you did this, that, responsible for x, y, z’, but rather also time for Putin to speak in long form what he thinks without interruptions. Wether you agree with his message is something else but the form more reminded me of a podcast. I hope that in general more political leaders will agree to long form conversations. They’ll always win for me compared to the things we might see on tv.

For the things he said it won’t suddenly change the narrative of the war. What happened 3 centuries ago isn’t relevant. It stands out that he always starts about the history of the nations and somehow tries to justify that Ukraine isn’t a sovereign nation, and it isn’t just recent history but at some point he’s talking about the 17th century for example.

Also the part about denazification remains so strange. A word we almost forgot over the time but apparently it’s his things. And it remains so weird hearing someone taking about it. We really can’t define the political system in Ukraine as nazism so automatically it would mean he’s fighting a ideology in his view, which of course given the sheer scale of the war doesn’t make sense at all. It’s hard to say wether he knows that he’s twisting reality or if he’s trapped in his own reality here.

Something else I found interesting is the period right before and after 2014. Here we’re taking about complex geopolitical relations and actions between countries, where the odds aren’t in his favour for speaking the truth but his claims are more or less that the CIA was involved in a coup and things went wrong after that.
 

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