I don't see a way out of it for Russia, really. They couldn't hold Afghanistan. So Putin thinks they stand a chance in Ukraine? 
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Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (75 Viewers)
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But isn't the bigger issue that at this point Ukraine is losing too? The longer it goes on, the more they lose.
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It's a war of attrition. That often favors the home team.
As much as Putin can pound his fists and whine about the integrity of Russia's 1988 borders, facts are the Ukrainians have lived there for many generations. You cannot compare the two. Russia is involved like the chicken, while Ukraine is committed like the pig. It's an asymmetric war.
A totally unrelated equivalent is like comparing Google Video to YouTube. Both came out around the same time. Google was playing around with video, but it was mostly busy sucking search teats. Few people even remember Google Video existed today.
YouTube had no choice: it was either succeed or die.
As much as Putin can pound his fists and whine about the integrity of Russia's 1988 borders, facts are the Ukrainians have lived there for many generations. You cannot compare the two. Russia is involved like the chicken, while Ukraine is committed like the pig. It's an asymmetric war.
A totally unrelated equivalent is like comparing Google Video to YouTube. Both came out around the same time. Google was playing around with video, but it was mostly busy sucking search teats. Few people even remember Google Video existed today.
YouTube had no choice: it was either succeed or die.
As part of the EU surely not, there's way too much to lose there. But they're hardly the biggest supporters of Ukraine in the EU, to date they've sent like 3m worth in military help, a country with a 20m population.
This is the most recent picture I could quickly find, since then US support has gone way up, but it gives perspective on how little 3m is.
This is the most recent picture I could quickly find, since then US support has gone way up, but it gives perspective on how little 3m is.
I know, but Russia was never realistically going to 'win' this war, because they wouldn't even be able to hold onto the territory.
My point is that most people in the West figured it would be over soon. And instead it looks like it will be a much longer drawn out war. And the longer it goes on, the more Ukraine will suffer.
My point is that most people in the West figured it would be over soon. And instead it looks like it will be a much longer drawn out war. And the longer it goes on, the more Ukraine will suffer.
The reason for this is Transnistria is a separate autonomous region of Moldova. It is still Communist, receives all its funding from Moscow, and has no police, 2,500 Russian Regulars are stationed there in place of police.
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Exactly, after the fall of the Soviet Union, I think Romania was the first country to declare independence, and then you literally took Nicolae Ceaușescu outside and put two in his head on national television.
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Exactly, after the fall of the Soviet Union, I think Romania was the first country to declare independence, and then you literally took Nicolae Ceaușescu outside and put two in his head on national television.
Yeah. We killed Ceaușescu, cause on his orders 2500 people died in the revolution and because the neo-commies that took power after were afraid of him (spilling the beans)
So they just offed him, in a laughable trial.
The sad part is that the neo-commies and their descendents still govern Romania disguised as democracy loving people.
Also România would not interfere with any attack on Moldova, since as a member of NATO we are not allowed to have teritorial disputes, since we signed the joining treaty.
So they just offed him, in a laughable trial.
The sad part is that the neo-commies and their descendents still govern Romania disguised as democracy loving people.
Also România would not interfere with any attack on Moldova, since as a member of NATO we are not allowed to have teritorial disputes, since we signed the joining treaty.
They don't have to.
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Plus, Moldova has the GDP of my zip code, dude. Moldova could actually be walked through by me with a rifle and six dudes.
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Plus, Moldova has the GDP of my zip code, dude. Moldova could actually be walked through by me with a rifle and six dudes.
That's the problem of Western countries. We know Putin, why let him invade the Crimea in 2011, we behaved with "a spirit of Munich", considering that he was going to stop there. He only understands the balance of power to bring him back to the doghouse. In 2022, at the start of the war, we only delivered bulletproof vests, helmets.., the procrastination and slowness of Western countries to react cost time and lives, instead of coming to massively support Ukraine right away.
The war will last a long time yet, I don't know who benefits (the Americans who have found a new outlet for their gas, and the arms industry), China who has permanently vasalized Russia.
The big losers are Europe and Ukraine.
The war will last a long time yet, I don't know who benefits (the Americans who have found a new outlet for their gas, and the arms industry), China who has permanently vasalized Russia.
The big losers are Europe and Ukraine.
And Russia has been running out of modern tech and modern weapons and rolling old shit onto the battlefield.
As long as the US is willing to support Ukraine they won’t lose this. It’s likely to be a long grinding war of attrition, until the US gets sick of it and forces a diplomatic end with Russia probably allowed to keep some its gains, or the Russian elite and oligarchs get sick of this war and the sanctions on them and the pariah state Russia have turned into again and overthrow Putin.
But the Russkies don’t have a snowballs chance in hell of defeating the Ukraine while America fully backs them.
As long as the US is willing to support Ukraine they won’t lose this. It’s likely to be a long grinding war of attrition, until the US gets sick of it and forces a diplomatic end with Russia probably allowed to keep some its gains, or the Russian elite and oligarchs get sick of this war and the sanctions on them and the pariah state Russia have turned into again and overthrow Putin.
But the Russkies don’t have a snowballs chance in hell of defeating the Ukraine while America fully backs them.
Nah. They tried to conquer the entire country, failed miserably, got their “modern” army wrecked, looked like a joke, and may end up with some territory in the eastern part of Ukraine where they already held part of the nation.
I’d say that ending is a loss for both Russia and Ukraine. Especially considering Russia pushed Finland and Sweden into NATO, restrengthened the alliance, and hardened their resolve while making themselves pariahs in the first world once again.
I’d say that ending is a loss for both Russia and Ukraine. Especially considering Russia pushed Finland and Sweden into NATO, restrengthened the alliance, and hardened their resolve while making themselves pariahs in the first world once again.