Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (60 Viewers)

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Trump is a clown for sure but did he do anything near as bad as the Iraq war?
Invading Iraq the second time was the single dumbest thing America had done since at least the Bay of Pigs.

That said, the longer-term ramifications of Trump are troubling: accelerating the decline of American government institutions by filling the cabinet of obedient suckups who were clueless about their roles, and turning the role of the presidency into a reality TV game show called “Who Do I Troll Today?”

Even if you’re in it for the lulz, the rise of LOL Nothing Matters Republicanism () is when government goes full on rooting-for-Monza anti-Allegri-ism.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
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"referendum" yesterday, "declaration on annexing the russian wannabe counties" tomorrow, potential use of tactical nuclear weapons to "defend russia" the day after.

fuck russia for the 1000th time
 
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kappa96

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Jun 20, 2018
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I think that if putler uses a tactical nuke, Ukraine is going to suddenly "find" a bunch of them in the western part of the country immediately afterwards.
 
Apr 12, 2004
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Even in history books here, the typical thought process on Hiroshima and Nagasaki is, "yea, for Pearl Harbor, but god damn; we didn't know THAT would happen." I mean, obviously we tested them, but we really didn't know what was going to happen, it was all scientific conjecture. It wasn't until after the war and the Bikini Atoll occurred and we discovered Thermo-Nuclear weapons that it was insane. Russia responded with the Czar Bomba. blah blah

My only point here is there were about three people who didn't regret the nuclear bombs being dropped. Two were the pilots, and I think one was a General. J Robert Oppenheimer, Enrico Fermi, almost all of the scientists who worked on the project went through huge issues with depression. They thought they were saving humanity and did nothing more but create a way for it all to end.

I'm one guy with one opinion, but trust me, you don't want any of this to turn nuclear. Not to say you do, but they aren't going to "find" nuclear weapons. Our response will be odd and unknown at best, I am sure we have people working around the clock on chances, reactions, problems, loss of life stats, shit you don't really want to work on for any longer than a passing conversation at a bar.

We are talking about potentially tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths of innocents in seconds.

Because one guy likes land a bit too much.
 
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kappa96

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Jun 20, 2018
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Well of course no one wants that, but the USA coined the phrase "You don't negociate with terrorists".
If putler gets away with "nuke Ukraine" or "give me land", he can do this all the way to Lisbon so he should be slapped in the face instantly for even thinking about it.
So of course, tactically, Ukraine "finding" nuclear weapons is the best way to de-escalate the situation.
There is no other way.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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Well of course no one wants that, but the USA coined the phrase "You don't negociate with terrorists".
If putler gets away with "nuke Ukraine" or "give me land", he can do this all the way to Lisbon so he should be slapped in the face instantly for even thinking about it.
So of course, tactically, Ukraine "finding" nuclear weapons is the best way to de-escalate the situation.
There is no other way.
Or Russia being bombed first
 
Apr 12, 2004
77,165
Well of course no one wants that, but the USA coined the phrase "You don't negociate with terrorists".
If putler gets away with "nuke Ukraine" or "give me land", he can do this all the way to Lisbon so he should be slapped in the face instantly for even thinking about it.
So of course, tactically, Ukraine "finding" nuclear weapons is the best way to de-escalate the situation.
There is no other way.
I think that was the SAS after all of the shit they had in the 70s and 80s with hijackings. Either way, I get what you're saying, but it isn't like a spare tire, man.
 
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Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,859
I think the appointments to the Supreme Court and the subsequent reduction in Women's' and LGBTQ rights is pretty bad.
It doesnt even come remotely close, Iraq was a crime against humanity, one of the larger ones of our time as well, whatever Trump did is irrelevant in light of that.

The fact that Bush and the geniuses behind him have not been convicted and put in jail is one of the big injustices of the world.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Even in history books here, the typical thought process on Hiroshima and Nagasaki is, "yea, for Pearl Harbor, but god damn; we didn't know THAT would happen." I mean, obviously we tested them, but we really didn't know what was going to happen, it was all scientific conjecture. It wasn't until after the war and the Bikini Atoll occurred and we discovered Thermo-Nuclear weapons that it was insane. Russia responded with the Czar Bomba. blah blah
Everything is hypothesis until you test it. That does not change the fact that the A-bomb was designed with that specific goal in mind and that the US had a strong belief it would have such a devastating effect. Otherwise they wouldn't have spent all that time and energy building it and they wouldn't have gone through the effort of dropping it on Hiroshima.

Saying that they didn't expect what happened to happen is an outright lie.

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I'm one guy with one opinion, but trust me, you don't want any of this to turn nuclear. Not to say you do, but they aren't going to "find" nuclear weapons. Our response will be odd and unknown at best, I am sure we have people working around the clock on chances, reactions, problems, loss of life stats, shit you don't really want to work on for any longer than a passing conversation at a bar.

We are talking about potentially tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths of innocents in seconds.

Because one guy likes land a bit too much.
It won't. Russia won't execute a nuclear attack, because it will not result in them gaining land. The only possible response the West would have at that point is immediate and utter destruction of Russia. That's the entire problem of nuclear weapons, you can't use them "a little bit".
 
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