Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (59 Viewers)

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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Russia needs to be denazified like Germany after WW2.
The best thing that can happen for the people of the RF and its neighbors is a peaceful and controllable dissolution of this country. Tatars can have independent Tatarstan, Dagestani – Dagestan, Russians can go fuck themselves etc. RF as a country does not make sense and is basically a giant tumor. Proper treatment is long overdue.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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The best thing that can happen for the people of the RF and its neighbors is a peaceful and controllable dissolution of this country. Tatars can have independent Tatarstan, Dagestani – Dagestan, Russians can go fuck themselves etc. RF as a country does not make sense and is basically a giant tumor. Proper treatment is long overdue.
They are kept together by force only. No doubt about it.
 
Mar 9, 2006
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Money is more a medium, they use oil money to pay off oprichniks, but ultimately it's fear and force. And money is going to widdle down relatively soon.
No, it's not fear that's why Russian government pays to Chechnya 1 billion rubles per day, overall Chechnya gets more than 370+ billion of rubles per year from Russian budget. Same story with every other republic inside of Russian federation - they all are getting paid in exchange for loyalty, as for other regions Putin installs Muppet governors there, he let them rule, let them to get rich and richer, on their turn they install mayors of the cities across the region and that's how the whole country is being controlled, full vertical of power. politicians, military, police - it all merged into one bottle of corruption, nepotism and embezzlement.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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No, it's not fear that's why Russian government pays to Chechnya 1 billion rubles per day, overall Chechnya gets more than 370+ billion of rubles per year from Russian budget. Same story with every other republic inside of Russian federation - they all are getting paid in exchange for loyalty, as for other regions Putin installs Muppet governors there, he let them rule, let them to get rich and richer, on their turn they install mayors of the cities across the region and that's how the whole country is being controlled, full vertical of power. politicians, military, police - it all merged into one bottle of corruption, nepotism and embezzlement.
So let's call it the fear of not getting paid then :D
 
Mar 9, 2006
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For example - I can't vote for the mayor of my city, I can't vote for the governor of my region. I can vote for the members of city council but I can't be elected for it, to have a possibility to be elected you have to pass a municipal barrier - current members of the city council must give you permission to be elected, you see how rigged the system is? Same story in other regions - it's either the city council or the mayor's office or the election commission that will never allow you to participate in elections because of your opposition to Putin.
 

Cerval

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Feb 20, 2016
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Macron and Le Pen qualified to the second round.

Second round will be dangerous. Those that voted Melenchon could vote for her because she's left leaning on a few subjects. Those that vote for Zemmour could flock to her party because of identity reasons.

This is going to get close.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Macron and Le Pen qualified to the second round.

Second round will be dangerous. Those that voted Melenchon could vote for her because she's left leaning on a few subjects. Those that vote for Zemmour could flock to her party because of identity reasons.

This is going to get close.
Naah, Macron will win. In fact, no right wing politicians will win in the West for forseeable future; Trumpism and Putinism has scared everyone off.
 

Tomice

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Mar 25, 2009
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Naah, Macron will win. In fact, no right wing politicians will win in the West for forseeable future; Trumpism and Putinism has scared everyone off.
Not sure I agree. It's all about how you spin it. The European right is taking a populist turn and if the economical fallout of this war will be severe they will have a way back in, recession was coming anyway imo so this will further compound the effect.

They will run on an economic platform mostly and depending on the situation in the next few years I wouldn't count a resurgence out. There is a reason Le Pen focused almost exclusively on economics in the last few months.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Not sure I agree. It's all about how you spin it. The European right is taking a populist turn and if the economical fallout of this war will be severe they will have a way back in, recession was coming anyway imo so this will further compound the effect.

They will run on an economic platform mostly and depending on the situation in the next few years I would count a resurgence out. There is a reason Le Pen focused almost exclusively on economics in the last few months.
Well. Lets see if she wins
 
Mar 9, 2006
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Video is english. Three days ago, Peskov admitted for the first time that Russian losses are significant

Doesn't mean shit until real numbers are not published and they will never do it, as for his phrase he will tell you some bs like "even one death of our soldier is a significant loss for us"

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May 28, 2015
"Putin classified the data on the dead soldiers in peacetime"
This was done to hide the losses of Russian soldiers in Donbass region, then in Syria, and now again in Ukraine, so we will never know the real numbers
 

Tomice

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Mar 25, 2009
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Likely that more Mélenchon voters will abstain this time around, and of those that do vote some polls say Le Pen could take a higher share than in 2017. Probably won't be enough for her though
Yeah, his voters really dislike Macron, especially due to his economic policies.
Also both him and Le Pen are against NATO irc, so that might earn her small no. of his voters.

But when times comes I agree not a lot of his voters will have the heart to vote Le Pen.
 

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