Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (80 Viewers)

[Juventino[RUS]]

I wouldn’t say that he doesn’t know any better, he’s a smart guy. But some Serbs automatically hate anything that paints NATO or the US in a positive light. And Serbia as a country has a lot of ties to Russia

Still the wrong position to take tho, it’s clear which side is the aggressor here

They just need a cheap gas from Russia, that's it.
In 2017, 70 percent of Russia's export to Serbia was said to be hydrocarbons, natural gas being the primary export item; from 2013 to 2016 exports of Russian gas to Serbia dropped from 2 bn to 1.7 billion cubic meters. In 2013, Gazprom offered a 13 percent discount on its gas export price for Serbia, to be effective until 2021.
In December 2017, Russia cancelled the requirement for Serbia to consume its gas only on the domestic market, thus allowing Serbia to re-export the fuel; a Russian government document published on 18 December amended the 2012 contract for gas supplies until 2021 for the volume of 5 billion cubic meters per year

 

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[campionesidd]

I wouldn’t say that he doesn’t know any better, he’s a smart guy. But some Serbs automatically hate anything that paints NATO or the US in a positive light. And Serbia as a country has a lot of ties to Russia

Still the wrong position to take tho, it’s clear which side is the aggressor here

Yes, but RUS is from Russia. If he can see past Putin and his bullshit, surely so can the Serbs. It’s not like the Americans/ Canadians and Europeans don’t call out their governments on their BS either.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Yes, but RUS is from Russia. If he can see past Putin and his bullshit, surely so can the Serbs. It’s not like the Americans/ Canadians and Europeans don’t call out their governments on their BS either.

Look above - Putin lets them buy our gas for cheap and then they can also resell it with a bigger price, they are Putin's lap dogs

 

[Tomice]

I wouldn’t say that he doesn’t know any better, he’s a smart guy. But some Serbs automatically hate anything that paints NATO or the US in a positive light. And Serbia as a country has a lot of ties to Russia

Still the wrong position to take tho, it’s clear which side is the aggressor here

He can defend himself but I have'nt seen a single post from him that he says he is on the Russian side.
Not being on the US/Nato side is not the same as being against Ukraine.

Pepole here forget Ukraine are actually the side fighting not the "west"

If zelinski himself would have been here on tuz some members here would call him NATO/US hater and Putin apologist

 

[Bianconero81]

Russia fanbois almost as bad as Dybalol fanbois. @Bianconero81

True that, but do you know who's the worst? Those who endorse the notion that the benevolent Western governments and NATO are so magnanimous, the beacons of virtue and true democracy

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

jesus christ

 

[campionesidd]

He can defend himself but I have'nt seen a single post from him that he says he is on the Russian side.
Not being on the US/Nato side is not the same as being against Ukraine.

Pepole here forget Ukraine are actually the side fighting not the "west"

It’s classic deflection and shifting the blame. Like Tulski Gabbard demanding that the US is at fault for not shutting down Ukrainian biolabs and not criticizing the Russians for shelling all sorts of sensitive facilities.

 

[Post Ironic]

He can defend himself but I have'nt seen a single post from him that he says he is on the Russian side.
Not being on the US/Nato side is not the same as being against Ukraine.

Pepole here forget Ukraine are actually the side fighting not the "west"

If zelinski himself would have been here on tuz some members here would call him NATO/US hater and Putin apologist

Nah. Not being on the US/NATO side doesn’t mean one has to frequently parrot and give credence to Kremlin propaganda and talking points. That either makes one a “useful idiot” or much worse a Putin apologist.

If RUS can call this shit out for what it is, there’s not much excuse for those outside Russia bringing this shit up as justification or for whataboutisms. Because that’s what the Kremlin does.

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True that, but do you know who's the worst? Those who endorse the notion that the benevolent Western governments and NATO are so magnanimous, the beacons of virtue and true democracy

The only person I’ve heard suggest anything like this is Elvin

No one else thinks the west/NATO are paragons of virtue and magnanimity.

 

[Tomice]

It’s classic deflection and shifting the blame. Like Tulski Gabbard demanding that the US is at fault for not shutting down Ukrainian biolabs and not criticizing the Russians for shelling all sorts of sensitive facilities.

I just dont see it that way. Tulsi Gabbard not withstanding

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Nah. Not being on the US/NATO side doesn’t mean one has to frequently parrot and give credence to Kremlin propaganda and talking points. That either makes one a “useful idiot” or much worse a Putin apologist.

If RUS can call this shit out for what it is, there’s not much excuse for those outside Russia bringing this shit up as justification or for whataboutisms. Because that’s what the Kremlin does.

Have you seen how many people don't believe me when i say that American MAGA imbeciles and Russian pro-Putinists have a lot in common? Adequate Americans should be happy that the political system of their country (with all its problems) will never allow a psychopath like Trump to rule forever.

 

[Tomice]

Nah. Not being on the US/NATO side doesn’t mean one has to frequently parrot and give credence to Kremlin propaganda and talking points. That either makes one a “useful idiot” or much worse a Putin apologist.

If RUS can call this shit out for what it is, there’s not much excuse for those outside Russia bringing this shit up as justification or for whataboutisms. Because that’s what the Kremlin does.

Im sorry but RUS fell so deep to other side down the rabit hole that if Putin would say the sun will rise tomorrow he wont buy it.

You dont see the irony in dissmising every single thing as made up/propeganda?

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Im sorry but RUS fell so deep to other side down the rabit hole that if Putin would say the sun will rise tomorrow he wont buy it.

You dont see the irony in dissmising every single thing as made up/propeganda?

You are just another deluded person. What do i know, i live under his reign for 20 years. If you lived in the time of Hitler, you would have found excuses for him too - the Treaty of Versailles or some other garbage

 

[campionesidd]

Im sorry but RUS fell so deep to other side down the rabit hole that if Putin would say the sun will rise tomorrow he wont buy it.

You dont see the irony in dissmising every single thing as made up/propeganda?

Almost every single thing coming out of Russia is propaganda. That is how state sponsored and state controlled media works.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Almost every single thing coming out of Russia is propaganda. That is how state sponsored and state controlled media works.

Putin's apologists and nato haters still won't believe in it

 

[Tomice]

Almost every single thing coming out of Russia is propaganda. That is how state sponsored and state controlled media works.

I agree but every lie has a some truth in it. Same for propaganda. Propaganda is not exclusively a lie.

A basic tenant of propaganda is to use a massive overload of information so it becomes almost impossible to distinguish truth and lie.

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You are just another deluded person. What do i know, i live under his reign for 20 years. If you lived in the time of Hitler, you would have found excuses for him too - the Treaty of Versailles or some other garbage

Ha, you're 20.

 

[campionesidd]

I agree but every lie has a some truth in it. Same for propeganda. Propeganda is not exculisvly a lie.

A basic tenent of propeganda is to use a massive overload of information so it becoms almost impposible to distinguish truth and lie.

Maybe, but I don’t really see where you’re going with this.
The argument we’re having is really simple. Russia attacked a sovereign country and are still attacking them. The justification for this attack keeps changing almost on a daily basis. It’s clear to see who the aggressor is, in this particular situation. And yet, there are some here who are not only parroting the justifications (that keep changing on a daily basis), but are blaming NATO and the West for all sorts of things and are criticizing them for taking economic actions against Russia.

 

[Post Ironic]

Im sorry but RUS fell so deep to other side down the rabit hole that if Putin would say the sun will rise tomorrow he wont buy it.

You dont see the irony in dissmising every single thing as made up/propeganda?

It’s dismissed because it’s the product of an autocracy that has zero interest in truth, criminalizes dissenting voices, allows no independent media, and lies non-stop. They propagandize everything they need to, so there is no possibility or worth in sifting through all that shift to find the occasional grain of truth. I can get those grains of truth from independent western media sources. Do I need the Kremlin to tell me about the Iraq war or Afghanistan (lol)? I’ve heard about endless criticism about these things while they were going on from our own media. I don’t need to hear about them now used as justification for invading a sovereign democratic nation. Everything out of Russia is propaganda. It’s really that simple

 

[Siamak]

Muslim Scholars:

Putin will be punished after death and turn to monkey.

 

[Tomice]

Maybe, but I don’t really see where you’re going with this.
The argument we’re having is really simple. Russia attacked a sovereign country and are still attacking them. The justification for this attack keeps changing almost on a daily basis. It’s clear to see who the aggressor is, in this particular situation. And yet, there are some here who are not only parroting the justifications (that keep changing on a daily basis), but are blaming NATO and the West for all sorts of things and are criticizing them for taking economic actions against Russia.

The reasons for Russia invasion doesn't keep changing, they existed before they decided to invade and discussing what those reasons might be is not justifying them.

 

[Post Ironic]

The reasons for Russia invasion doesn't keep changing, they existed before they decided to invade and discussing what those reasons might be is not justifying them.

The Kremlin itself and their media puppets are the ones changing their justification on a weekly, sometimes daily basis.