Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (71 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

There’s a thick line between a false video or audio fragment and banning words as invasion or war to journalists.

And most Western news actually did say that the audio fragment on the island turned out to be fake.

Freedom of speech gets respected in Western countries and Russian journalists are getting prisoned.

He’s so far gone on his little anti-west bs agenda that he can’t even recognize this. Lol

 

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[Vlad]

There’s a thick line between a false video or audio fragment and banning words as invasion or war to journalists.

And most Western news actually did say that the audio fragment on the island turned out to be fake.

Freedom of speech gets respected in Western countries and Russian journalists are getting prisoned.

Even the video of a car run over by a tank has been repudiated in media. The difference where western media can use fact checking, backtrack and in general their reporting being indepentant of any regime, journalists enjoying freedom while challenging politicians versus banning all contents that oppose official Kremlin's policy. They are not allowed to call this a war ffs, instead a special operation. But yes, western media are worse

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[Ronn]

Are people really arguing for banning Tchaikovsky?

 

[Elvin]

Even the video of a car run over by a tank has been repudiated in media. The difference where western media can use fact checking, backtrack and in general their reporting being indepentant of any regime, journalists enjoying freedom while challenging politicians versus banning all contents that oppose official Kremlin's policy. They are not allowed to call this a war ffs, instead a special operation. But yes, western media are worse

Russian propagandists call the Western sanctions against Russia "war", I suggest they call it "financial operation" instead

 

[Dostoevsky]

There’s a thick line between a false video or audio fragment and banning words as invasion or war to journalists.

And most Western news actually did say that the audio fragment on the island turned out to be fake.

Freedom of speech gets respected in Western countries and Russian journalists are getting prisoned.

They said it was a Russian tank, it was not. They framed Snake island. They used screenshot from a video game and made a hero that shot 6 planes while hitting 5 in a whole career is a huge deal. And it was not just that but it's what we know it was false and bullshit. Thanks to this era and Internet, such news fly all over the place instantly, and after hearing such news there's unstoppable hatred. Of course that's media manipulation. Noam Chomsky wrote a book about it iirc.

You also report daily those numbers of victims and damage done to their vehicles, you seriously think that's a true information? Of course it's not. Just like those numbers said by Russians are false. It's probably somewhere in the middle. Both sides are trying to fabricate the numbers so they could look good. And it's not just them, it was always like that.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Are people really arguing for banning Tchaikovsky?

What do you gain once you ban him, Dostoevsky and a Russian cat?

 

[Elvin]

What do you gain once you ban him, Dostoevsky and a Russian cat?

It's about sending a message that everything Russian is now unwelcome and we can live without it, including good Russian things.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

It's about sending a message that everything Russian is now unwelcome and we can live without it, including good Russian things.

masha and the bear should be excluded.

 

[Dostoevsky]

It's about sending a message that everything Russian is now unwelcome and we can live without it, including good Russian things.

Maybe if you don't care about it and you obviously don't. I surely don't think cutting Russian literature, which might be the best one out there, adds anything good to humanity. So yeah, no thanks. We should not live without it.

 

[Elvin]

Maybe if you don't care about it and you obviously don't. I surely don't think cutting Russian literature, which might be the best one out there, adds anything good to humanity. So yeah, no thanks. We should not live without it.

enjoy

 

[U Picciriddu]

They said it was a Russian tank, it was not. They framed Snake island. They used screenshot from a video game and made a hero that shot 6 planes while hitting 5 in a whole career is a huge deal. And it was not just that but it's what we know it was false and bullshit. Thanks to this era and Internet, such news fly all over the place instantly, and after hearing such news there's unstoppable hatred. Of course that's media manipulation. Noam Chomsky wrote a book about it iirc.

You also report daily those numbers of victims and damage done to their vehicles, you seriously think that's a true information? Of course it's not. Just like those numbers said by Russians are false. It's probably somewhere in the middle. Both sides are trying to fabricate the numbers so they could look good. And it's not just them, it was always like that.

We can doubt that the videos are real. Journalists will fact check, if it all turned out to be fake than they’ll most likely report that. Besides that, as for example the video that was a video game, we can’t blame nor the Ukrainian government, nor Western journalists of a video like that reaching the internet, as any fool could make that.

The numbers that I post give context. I don’t say blindly believe them. It are Ukrainian reports, while the Russians said 500 soldiers died so far (Ukraine says 10k). Western outlets don’t copy those numbers, in fact they didn’t even try to say how many soldiers actually died because it’s nearly impossible.

Everyone is open for Russian journalists but you know that Putin made their work nearly impossible.

In a sense, we’re discussing a handful of troll videos compared to Putin who believes a genocide is committed by Ukraine and that they are Nazis. The difference is to big to defend Russian news outlets.

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Here’s one of the most famous sources in The Netherlands, explaining in a video what they do to dubbel check news and that we have to be careful for fake news, for example. And they show the exact fragments and videos we’re discussing right now. Video is published a week ago.

 

[Post Ironic]

Even the video of a car run over by a tank has been repudiated in media. The difference where western media can use fact checking, backtrack and in general their reporting being indepentant of any regime, journalists enjoying freedom while challenging politicians versus banning all contents that oppose official Kremlin's policy. They are not allowed to call this a war ffs, instead a special operation. But yes, western media are worse

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Imagine thinking this. Or even that the two are remotely similar levels of bias and propaganda. I can’t. It’s hard. I hope not all Serbs are like this. It’s depressing to see people parroting the talking points of Putin and his stooges, and then claiming they aren’t Putin apologists.

 

[s4tch]

The level of retardism increases

- Zagreb philharmonic orchestra cuts Tchaikovsky
- Russian breed cats banned from competitions
- Italian university bans Dostoevsky course

All are just amazing.

cancel culture always was retarded. ban those who support the system or have any direct relationship or involvement in the conflict, i'm all for it. but banning russian art from a few centuries ago? lol

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Usually Putin's apologists and NATO haters are the same people

 

[Kopanja]

The photo was taken from my house. Was a sports campus of my university. Got hit twice 30-45 minutes ago. We will rebuild.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

The photo was taken from my house. Was a sports campus of my university. Got hit twice 30-45 minutes ago. We will rebuild.

Putin's bombs are successfully destroying Nazi facilities

 

[Alen]

It's about sending a message that everything Russian is now unwelcome and we can live without it, including good Russian things.

I disagree. Ban everything that brings money to Putin. I feel sorry for them, but I do support the decision to ban Russian sports teams and individuals. I support everything that will make the Russian people angry(er) at their government. But banning Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Tchaikovsky will have an opposite effect and I am glad that the certain institutions who tried to do that were being laughed at. The case with that University in Milano shows it. They banned Dostoevsky and after the public made a joke out of that decision, they backtracked on it.

 

[duranfj]

It's about sending a message that everything Russian is now unwelcome and we can live without it, including good Russian things.

Agree. If you don't understand the symbolism behind it, you don't know anything about comunism/socialism.

Everything they do is just about symbolism, they don't care about science, facts, religion, rights... the idea behind eliminated freedom speech, education, democracy and medias is not just to avoid resistance/rivalry/opposition, it's also about brainwash people and symbolism is the way they use to achieve it.

 

[Tomice]

Isn't it? Or at least for the most part. Now, we can argue that the propaganda in this particular case is for good cause, but can we argue that it's not propaganda?
One can say "what about the Russian media?" and even though I don't follow it, I trust our Russian friends here and I can imagine that it's far worse. But I'd be stupid not to see that western media are acting as cheerleaders for war.
I was reading a piece by a British author, expert on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and I think he has a point when he writes these parts:

"(Western) Journalists are cheering on the arming of militias and civilians (in Ukraine) making improvised explosives – acts they usually treat as terrorism.
It is simply astonishing how many western journalists, including normally cautious BBC reporters, are fawning over young women building Molotov cocktails on the streets of Ukrainian cities like Kyiv. Western journalists’ difficulty containing their identification with, and support for, Ukraine’s civilian 'resistance' must be maddening to Palestinians in tiny Gaza. It’s suddenly sexy to make improvised explosives – at least, if the media consider you white, European and "civilised".
That might surprise other, more established resistance movements, especially in the Middle East. They have invariably found themselves tarred as terrorists for doing much the same."

"In the case of Ukraine... there were widespread, inciteful and entirely fictitious reports in the western media of Russian troops butchering a contingent of 13 Ukrainian soldiers on Snake Island, in the Black Sea. A fake audio tape was released of the Ukrainians supposedly cursing the Russian invaders. Ukraine’s government promised each of them a Hero of Ukraine award. But in fact, it was Russian media reports that were true. There were 82 Ukrainian soldiers and they had surrendered. All were alive and well. In another example, a clip from a video game was widely promoted as a heroic lone Ukrainian fighter pilot – dubbed the Ghost of Kyiv – shooting down Russian planes and helicopters.
Misinformation has been shared on western social media accounts, and most of it is designed to evoke sympathy for Ukraine and hostility to Russia."

I completely agree with the premise here, bias goes both ways in the media and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not exempt, just that the bias is not as one sided as the expert you mentioned allude to. It is generally on the Israeli side but not always.

Plenty of guardian or ny-times headlines saying "two Palestinians shot dead.." without mentioning they just stabbed someone in the street. You also have AJ and AP who are clearly palestinian biased. The point here is that in the west you have a choice of what media outlet to read, in russia not so much.

This is false-equivalency and he is being intellectually dishonest, as I find it funny that he does not know the definition of terrorism. Also you can be a resistance fighter and a terrorist at the same time, they are not mutually exclusive. You can say that any means of a resistance to occupation are justified, including terrorism, but this is not what in question.

No, not all Palestinian resistance fighters (individually) are terrorists, some are, but I have yet to see a single Ukrainian resistance fighter being one.

 

[Elvin]

I disagree. Ban everything that brings money to Putin. I feel sorry for them, but I do support the decision to ban Russian sports teams and individuals. I support everything that will make the Russian people angry(er) at their government. But banning Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Tchaikovsky will have an opposite effect and I am glad that the certain institutions who tried to do that were being laughed at. The case with that University in Milano shows it. They banned Dostoevsky and after the public made a joke out of that decision, they backtracked on it.

I concur that they went a bit over the top on that one